• fartographer@lemmy.world
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    Maybe we can get our hands on some of those Volvo lidar modules to combat all these cameras around us? “Your assumed right to record me doesn’t overrule my right to make high resolution 3D scans of everywhere I go.”

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      Are the glasses lens telephoto?

      Those are the only ones the article says get damaged by the lidar

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    By there not being enough consequences for these boys, not only are you making more boys like this, but not doing those boys any favours either. No one mentally healthy is going to want to be with that kind of boy.

    Weak parents. Weak schools. Weak government. Failing everyone.

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    Teen Boys Terrorize Girls at High Schools and Middle Schools in Very Public and Easily Tracable Ways and Still No One is Stopping Them

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    From the opening part of the article, the problem is not just the glasses. The glasses are definitely an issue that needs to be sorted out society wide, but there is a problem with how these boys are raised. Badly raised boys have always been an issue but now they are being raised by manosphere incel influencers. The glasses just let them record their harassment to post for clout and to draw others into their bullying.

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        Yes but starting with an age limitation is a start on these damn things.

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        How the fuck is this a “relatively normal” camera, or ANY kind of “normal”? People like you are the reason these companies get away with shit like this.

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        When it breaks laws. My area has two-party consent laws, so recording someone, whether audio or video, without their explicit consent is against the law. Children are often not held to the fullest extent of the law, and if they cannot be held responsible, then they shouldn’t have access to such devices until they can be.

        I’m not naive to think that these devices will just go away or that the genie can go back into the bottle. But that is where regulation must act to protect people’s privacy rights.

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    Can someone explain why this isn’t actually a solution to an old problem? We used to have issues with various forms of harassment that were not addressed because they relied on unreliable testimony. Now we actually have people creating hard evidence of their actions.

    The behaviors described in this article are banned in every school I or my children have ever attended. How difficult would it be for the parents of any of these victims to hire a lawyer to absolutely wipe the floor with these people? Don’t these videos basically put the perpetrators heads on silver platters?

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      Crime usually comes before punishment. Right now the system is working it’s way into figuring out how to deal with this new social dynamic. Like you, I think it’s pretty straightforward. We won’t solve the core reason for the bullying dynamics though. I think humans that adhere to gendered thinking will be behind on that for a good long while yet.

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        It would be pretty messed up if the punishment came before the crime.

        My point, in this case is that the crime has been ongoing. Bullying and harassment aren’t new. What’s new is that we now have a lot of it recorded. This gives us an unprecedented ability to prosecute a class of crimes that people have been committing with impunity.

        The biggest downside is that it would likely be short-lived. If there were a bunch of headlines about people getting giant civil judgements, bullies would probably learn to be more careful about generating evidence of their crimes.

        That would likely initially focus on attempting to hide the videos from the general public but I suspect they would eventually learn that doesn’t work; courts can compel discovery. They would probably also try to modify their on-screen behavior so it doesn’t technically qualify as a crime but I expect they would mostly fail at that.

        That said there would likely always be some cohort of dumb criminals who continue to record their misdeeds. We still see cases where people discuss their crimes over unencrypted email and we still see cases of criminals taking selfies with their crimes

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        Sort of.

        I am making an assumption that there are some people who are likely highly motivated to take action. Parents often care about bullying of their own children, even when the rest of the school doesn’t. We wouldn’t need all parents to care, just a few of them.
        I’m not assuming that lawyers are generally willing to work for free but I do assume that they like money and are willing to take cases on contingency, if they think the case is strong enough.
        I’m also going on my understanding that video evidence tends to be fairly strong and that this translates into a higher probability of a favorable judgement with less work on the lawyer’s part.

        So it’s less that I’m making an assumption than that I’m asking where the gap in the above reasoning chain lies.

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    I guarantee most of these schools protect the bullies and punish the victims. Like if a girl being harassed broke the glasses, she would get expelled. The world is the way it is because people enable and worship bullies across the board.

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      This. My friend in HS went to guidance multiple times to complain about being bullied by another classmate. After the 2nd or 3rd time requesting thy switch his class, they decided to resolve the issue by forcing them to be partners for an assignment in class. He complained again, and was told to deal with it. One day my friend finally cracked and broke the bully’s nose because he had enough and clearly the school was only willing to make this worse, so they called the police on my friend. It’s pretty insane how some things get dealt with sometimes.

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        I wish they called the police when I stood up for myself. It was sexual harassment/assault but I didn’t know that at the time, I just knew I didn’t like it so used violence. He stopped and ran off bleeding all over the place.

        Totally valid self defence from a legal perspective. But they only used the threat of calling the police and I was absolutely terrified so just shut down.

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      Schools don’t care about bullying or sexual harassment as long as it doesn’t look bad on them. If it can be swept under the rug, they will ignore it.

      At least that is my experience from schools in the UK.

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      In a different video, the same boy films another upset girl approaching him with a metal stool in her hands. An adult intervenes before anyone is hurt.

      Exactly, they always protect the bullies.

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        Humans suck at looking at things on a long timeline. “Sticks and stones”. You don’t usually see the effects of years of bullying until adulthood. Or at least not immediately. A TBI, that’ll get you fucking sued. Emotional trauma? What’s that?

        Fuck they still try to blame school shootings on videogames and now tiktok.

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      I’m a teacher. I don’t know how they pull this of - but even kids from poorer families tend to carry some very expensive gadgets around all day. Stuff I wouldn’t afford with my 4k salary because it would be completely unreasonable.

      They do.

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    In my eyes anyone wearing one of these is a pervert. I simply don’t see who else could be the audience for a purposefully discreet camera built into a pair of glasses. Even Google’s attempt at glasses were more overt that these. I’d say Meta is shameful, but that’s not exactly a shocker to anyone at this point.

    Edit: Seen a few suggestions, but my counterpoint to all of them is - you don’t need the camera to discreet fir any of these purposes. You’d only need it to be discreet if you didn’t want people to realise you were filming, which just seems aimed towards perverts in my mind.

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      They could be nice to catch those small moments you get when walking the dog, for example. Sort of like twitch clips but for real life.

      Doesn’t really weigh up all the downsides of it, but still.

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      I would have loved glasses that could detect advertising with a camera and block it out so I don’t see it, but instead we got AI nudes and stalking.

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        And probably even more ads sent directly to your eyeballs. If they’re not there yet they’re already on the roadmap.

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        Aww man you just made me realise that you could combine A.I. image generation with augmented reality to make everyone nude in real time. What a fucked up world we live in. I’m sure someone is already working on a program like this

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          Not just nude, but any race, any age, any species. Or, make some or all people disappear from view. Not just people but everything around you will look however you want it to (or can afford to pay someone else to make it so.) Clothes will become simple, disposable leotards with markings that make it easy for AR to overlay any style of “clothes”. We’ll broadcast our selection to the surrounding goggles, and they can either show that, or whatever they want. Of course sound is part of it too, so your Puerto Rican “friend” can look like and sound like Princess Diana to you.

          But wait, there’s more. Let’s say you’re walking down a busy street and your boss is out that day too. He’ll be able to spot you from blocks away, and even through buildings, tracking your location and following you until he “happens to bump into you.” A feature reserved for certain “elites” and “officials” in society. Whatever information you have available about the people around you will appear floating around them, like a health bar. You think we have no privacy now, wait till everyone knows the basics about you and can pay to know even more, and have it appear above your head and whispered in their ear.

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      I remember seeing a video of a blind woman using them, in combination with some earbuds, so she could get her surroundings described to her, as well as have objects she picked up described. But you’re right, glasses with discreet cameras on them, aren’t necessary for a situation like that - Something more overt would be fine for that use case.

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      So much potential. Face lookup of contacts so I get reminded of people’s names. Lyrics to any detected song so I can sing along. Virtual post-it note reminders in 3D space. Alerts or navigation while walking. Virtual monitors put on any surface.
      But humans are too hung up on sex, so it’s not going to happen.

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      I would love overt google glass style glasses that are obvious as a solution for a dashcam like system for when i am driving, or tracking where I left mg keys etc. But as you say, the discreet camera is for perverts.

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        It’s probably the clearest if a built-in camera is not allowed for glasses and the camera is an external unit they have to clip on. Functional the same, but socially making it clear you’re filming.

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      I don’t understand how these are fundamentally different from the phone cameras that everyone points at everyone else already. holding a phone up isn’t exactly conspicuous at this point.

      schools should probably ban them for the case above, but schools should probably ban phones as well. in the US at least there’s so expectation of privacy anywhere public and smart glasses are a tiny fraction of the doorbell cameras, security cameras, etc that are everywhere

      it feels like we’re approaching a circlejerk level of being against smart glasses in general, which do have a ton of interesting use cases that aren’t recording related (but still require a camera for position tracking etc). the “pervert glasses” position is intentionally obtuse

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        Phones and glasses can nudify girls and women in real time. Pervert glasses is not an exaggeration.

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          i bet ur typing this on a pervert phone right now. i hear ur pervert computer does the same thing but faster. we should ban computers. this is not an exaggeration.

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      Even Google’s attempt at glasses were more overt that these.

      That’s because the tech wasn’t there yet. Otherwise, it would have been the same.

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      I kind of like the idea. Take some pictures while doing other things like riding your bike or going on a hike without having to take out your phone. Take a quick picture while shopping to them to my wife. Get navigation cues without the phone. But they are so creepy

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        I’ve seen videos on Instagram of people using them for a first person view without having to strap a GoPro to their head. Like for hobby work.

        But if you’re going biking or whatever, you can just as easily strap a camera to your helmet, and get a 360° view to boot. If you’re hiking or shopping, it’s very little effort to take out your phone and snap a pic. And you get the benefit of being able to actually preview the shot.

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          I really do not want to stick a camera to my helmet. I’m wearing that helmet as safety gear and I do not believe that it is safe to mount robust things with batteries to something which needs to absorb the impact of a fall.

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            It wouldn’t be any different from hitting one lying on the ground. The mounts are probably breakaway so that you don’t end up with a punctured lithium battery strapped to your head.

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    Hoooold up just a minute. How much do these glasses cost? Like hundreds right? What kind of teen boy has that much money to burn? I sure as fuck didn’t, and I worked. Their parents bought them, and these are kids, so it’s 100% blame on the parents here.

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      Even if the kids bought them it is still the parent’s responsibility to keep their kid from being an obnoxious pervert.

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        That’s what really sucks about this.

        There’s no institutional backlash. (At least not yet. That could change.)

        We’re depending on parents who park these little shits in front of screens and expect to be left alone while their kids are radicalized.

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          The alternative is having the rich parents be responsible for the children they breed and that will never happen so suck it up poors

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      I had thousands as a teenager from around 15 years old working part time evening and weekends at barely above minimum wage.

      When you have no expenses from living at home, you can save everything (and in my case blow it all on electronics lol)

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      When I was 16 and started working, I quickly had enough money saved from working minimum wage, part time, to buy myself a car. It’s not impossible.

      Also, these may be kids/young adults, but they should all know right from wrong. Blame is absolutely on the students who use these too.

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      No different to mobile phones or iPods or PlayStations. Pair of meta raybans are arguably cheaper than those items now due to inflation.