That happens on every deployment. There’s at least a few jumpers and a few suicides. One dude on one of my deployments killed himself by drinking liquid oxygen.
IMO the USS Abraham Lincon is being used as a symbol of Trump’s hate for how the Civil War ended.
He is treating those sailors like slaves as a sick joke.
And hoping someone attacks it so he can retaliate. Israel will probably do it eventually when they come up with a cover story.
#Winning
ah so nothing has changed.
The lack of sleep was the worst part of the long extended deployment period that I was on. Our work center had like three people doing rotating shifts standing watch, keeping equipment running. I’d be up all night and in the morning we couldn’t go to bed until after quarters and the XOs inspection of berthing, which was like 11am. But then it was lunchtime and after that we couldn’t sleep because of GQ drills in the afternoon. Basically when all that was done and over I had to go back on watch. There would be times I’d be awake for several days straight. When the stars aligned perfectly and I could get 8 hours straight, oh man it was the best sleep I ever had.
Yeah, I barely have memories from that time I was so sleep deprived.
“You’re gonna reenlist, right? You’re a great sailor! Civilian life sucks, you just don’t even know.”
“I was a civilian for a decade before I signed up. I know what’s it’s like. You don’t. No, I got the GI Bill now. I’m going to Colorado, to hike deep into the mountains without telling anyone where I’m going, and smoke myself into a coma.”
And I did.
Was it a restful coma?
I’d be up all night and in the morning we couldn’t go to bed until after quarters and the XOs inspection of berthing, which was like 11am.
Seems like a command staff seriously out to lunch. A good commander would recognize that letting your people get sleep they need is more important than making sure every bed is made correctly.
Yeah that’s… Not how the Navy does things.
Sleep deprivation is the norm across the Navy, particularly in the engineering community and particularly in nuclear engineering.
I would commonly go 36 hours without sleep, generally a few times a month. People keep this up for decades.
That can only lead to excellent results and will never result in any mistakes whatsoever, I’m absolutely sure.
This is a very Low-T comment
I’m surprised it’s hard to jump into the water, it surrounds the ship and gravity exists. Or was the threat performative? Either way I can’t pretend to know what they are going through. But I also know I like my personal freedom too much to sign up for military service.
sign up for military service.
Especially considering it’s the 2nd most belligerent military on the planet.
Well the flight deck is like 8 stories above the water, so that may have something to do with it.
On the deck there’s usually netting to catch people who accidently fall off.
Oh. Same thing they do at FoxxCon Factories. Cool
Except at FoxxCon they’re called “suicide nets” :/
It isn’t easy to overcome the desire to live, especially when death chosen is going to be terrifying agony. Jumping overboard is a terrible way to go.
they must be bored as shit they aren’t getting to do the warcrimes they were promised when they volunteered for this.
We can bash the inhuman agenda thre U.S. Federal government is pushing and we can implore soldiers not to follow any unlawful orders they are given while knowing there are many soldiers, especially on these navy vessels that didn’t volunteer for this, dont want to be there, and have no recourse.
Americans had trouble separating Vietnam veterans and the government, lets not shun tired, traumatized young soldiers whose only fault was joing the military (wich many do to get out of bad life situations) and not wanting to die.
that didn’t volunteer for this,
Is there a draft in the US now?
Nobody forced them to join
whose only fault was joing the military
That’s a pretty big fault, though. Implied threats of varying morality aside, the only thing the US military actually does is imperialism.
we can implore soldiers not to follow any unlawful orders they are given
:-/
I’m not giving my own online pleas for civility much of a chance against a screaming sergeant locking you in for three months of boot camp. Nevermind the downright satanic hazing rituals that Navy Seals and Green Berrets put you through.
The military as an institution exists to burn the humanity out of it’s people. If you join, you’re signing up to do crimes, whether you realize it or not.
Seriously. Anytime anyone even tries to, “thank me for my service,” I stop them cold. I tell them the truth. “I didn’t join to serve. I joined up for the same reason that 90% of us joined up. It was the least shitty option of a few terrible options, and paid for my college.”
bad life situations
some of which caused by a system designed to keep them in those situations and oh look, today at lunch in high school we get pizza and an army recruiter.
yes, these are indeed “kidnapped” or “brainwashed” kids doing war crimes, for sure. and they need help getting out.
but. the guy on his 2nd tour who then becomes a small town cop because he never saw “the shit” and walks the beat pretending everyone in his new england town is secretly a terrorist… he can fuck right off.
Well if anyone wants to know how to have a shit navy and spend more then everyone else, here you are.
I worked on an empty, out of service cruise ship during COVID and was stuck onboard for 195 days at sea. There were only 95 other crew members onboard…and only 3 women. I was the only native English speaking crew member. I’m still fucked up from the isolation.
Dude i give you permission to DM me if that happens again. We’ll get dnd going or something.
Good luck finding a day that works for everyone.
We’re all gonna be free the 14th of Septober!
I can’t do Septober; how are you placed in Juneuary?
They just floated the cruise ship around to avoid docking charges?
Ports were closed. They couldn’t dock anywhere.
How the hell can you have the most advanced military and air force machinery in the world and not have the logistical capacity to send food and, perhaps, new sailors for re-stationing?
In my case, it was during covid, and i was crew on a cruise ship.
Good. Not for the soldiers. I’m not trying to be an edgy leftist. But, this war will not end until Americans feel some personal loss or material impact to demand it end. So I’m not saying “good” to soldiers losing their minds. I’m saying it’s good that Americans read about their soldiers losing their minds.
That war ends either through its ruling class being impacted by a stock market crash; or the working class being impacted by its death and material consequences and demanding change in meaningful ways.
I wish it wasn’t the case. But there is a reason that they stopped showing flag draped coffins coming home during the Iraq war. They want you to forget about it and accept the gas prices as the new normal and the only impact on your life.
They know Americans won’t do anything for another “dead Gaza baby”. But they know even the most right wing Trump supporter can only handle so many dead troops.
Unfortunately, things will have to get much worse for Americans to demand an end to this war in any meaningful numbers. Or it’s ruling class can no longer milk profits from it and pull out leaving the mess they made behind. The later, unfortunately, being what will actually end it.
I hope your accelerationism predictions pan out otherwise everyone loses…
This is not accelerationism. Accelerationism would be actively working to make the conditions of the working class worse in order to bring about the material conditions that would result in revolution. Even an accelerationist should understand that the level of class consciousness in the masses would not result in a socialist revolution, but further scapegoating and fascism. Well, at least an honest accelerationist would.
I do not believe in that and you’re confusing simple material analysis with accelerationism. You might want to at least read about what accelerationist believe. I am not one. But I’m not gonna pretend it just means anytime someone points to Americans being affected by the consequences of its governments foreign policy.
Except that most americans don’t really care about the troops. The troops are just a prop to be used for political pandering and virtue signaling.
To the government, the troops are just property. They only take care of them for the same reasons you change the oil in your car. To preserve and maintain your property, keep it running in good condition so you can use it when you need to.
Right now, this current administration is like someone who never changes his oil, and then complains about the car and calls it a piece of shit when it starts having issues.
Honestly it will take a lot including oil costing more than $200 dollars a barrel
Maybe if oil costs $2028 dollars a barrel, a depression and recession and mass famine and hyperinflation and mass unemployment
Also I recommend the eyes left podcast
I remember when I served and thought 9-month deployments were too long. That included port visits.
9 months out without ever seeing land is cruel and unusual punishment. Especially in the heat of the Gulf.
Yeah I remember Desert Storm when we were out to sea over 100 days they would have a party and break out the beer, 2 cans per sailor. It was a nice gesture since being out to sea without hitting a port for that long really messes with you mentally.
Last port call was Guam, which it left 12th December 2025. So now up to 244+ days at sea, absolutely insane and inhumane. Previous longest was like 206ish. Could be another couple of months yet as Roosevelt hasn’t even sailed to relieve it. Could hit 300+ days at sea yet.
without ever seeing land
Do you even see much daylight? I figured, especially on the bigger aircraft carriers, that you spend almost all your time below deck.
Eh, you can get to areas “outside” without much issue, not all the outside areas are the flight deck.
That being said, these people are crammed in there doing work on a non normal rotation 24/7. It can not help that they are not doing anything worthwhile and also nothing really effective.
Your first point is correct. There are weather decks along the sides and aft of the ship, underneath the flight deck, where crew can be outside.
But these sailors aren’t working 24/7 non-stop. Individuals have downtime to sleep, eat (obviously), and generally hang around playing video games, watching movies, reading, etc (this one is not so obvious). They would’ve had to bring an that stuff onboard before they left.
Regardless, that’s like being stuck in your house for 9 months without ever touching grass. It’s just not sustainable psychologically.
But these sailors aren’t working 24/7 non-stop. Individuals have downtime to sleep, eat (obviously), and generally hang around playing video games, watching movies, reading, etc (this one is not so obvious). They would’ve had to bring an that stuff onboard before they left.
I mean they are at sea and doing the 24 hour work rotations, its not 8 hours of work with 16 hours off. Not sure about us vessels but other navy’s I know of have multiple watches and while at sea your getting rotated though all hours. Its just not something you can expect from someone for these periods of time.
Maybe more of a submarine thing, but it’s really more like 16 on, then 8 off. You spend 8 hours on watch, then 8 hours doing other work (maintenance, quals, training, drills, etc.), and finally 8 hours of down time.
That 8 hours of work can vary wildly depending on the boat and the mission status, being as short as 1 or as long as 16, but you really do spend underways in a unique mix of exhaustion and boredom.
Yeap, that’s exactly what I mean. Its not a normal timetable. And this crew is in a combat setting so those 16 hour days are going to be more on the full side. Zero shore leave and from how it is described, a low supply situation makes for unhappy longterm sailors.
i wish every military worker good luck and a swift descent to the bottom of the ocean
Mu-ti-ny! Mu-ti-ny! Mu-ti-ny!
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USS Lincoln Sailors Attempted to Jump Overboard Amid Extended Iran Deployment, Families Say
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Ah, this explains why Trump is getting so angry that UK and Europe won’t deploy carriers to the middle east!
What carriers does he think they have spare? Britain only has the one, maybe two. France has one, italy has two. Anyone else in Europe managed to get one in the last few years?
5 carrier groups isn’t really enough for force projection. That’s why we have 13 super carriers and 18-20 diesel carriers, we just call them Helo ships.
Oh, I guess Russia also has .5 - .75 carriers, but as it’s only left port once, I wouldn’t be counting on any help there either.
