The bodies were found Friday inside the Grand Haven residence, police said, and the children were 5 to 15 years old.
A man fatally shot his wife and their six children before he set the Michigan home they shared ablaze and turned the gun on himself, authorities said Monday.
Kristopher Karolkiewicz, 47, killed his wife, Amanda, 39, and their children, ages 5 to 15, Ottawa County Sheriff’s Capt. Jake Sparks said at a news conference.
They were found dead after first responders arrived at the home in Grand Haven, on the eastern shore of Lake Michigan, late Friday morning, Sparks said. Autopsies showed all had been shot, he said.
Can’t we just agree that all family annihilation is bad?
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I’m not trying to derail the conversation. My initial post was directly relevant to the post it responded to, which was also building out from the original topic. That’s how conversations work.
You may not like where all conversations go, but you really must stop trying to be internet-policeman when other people are talking.
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That’s not at all what I said, or implied. You seem quick to jump to that conclusion, but no. (I’m wondering how you even think that that reading makes sense in context)
It would be great if you’d respond to what people actually say.
You’re not going to win with her. She’s always all over posts with her “men bad” mentality. I thought I’d blocked her because I was sick of her whining and hate, but nope. I will be in a few moments, though!
We’re literally on a post about a man killing his entire family.
Not only that, but nobody ever “asked why men do this” either like they’re claiming. This person is clearly trying to push the conversation into something else entirely
Why did you respond this way? I’m sincerely asking for the record.
For the record? Anyway…
Firstly, I saw several pieces of news coverage on the grandmother case before all of the details came out, and in the end the story was more grim than I had anticipated. Early in the coverage, I had assumed that one of the two parents of the children was responsible. Soon, it became clear that the father was not involved, which left only the mother, grandmother, or possibly one of the children. I admit that I did not want to consider it possible that it would be the grandmother, and was horrified to find out that it was. I could not, and cannot, conceive of anyone killing her child and the children of her child. I do not know what circumstances drove her to do this, but my thoughts of course went to mental illness, dementia, substance abuse etc.
Then, today I see the post you’ve quoted above and the first sentence - what a weird way of phrasing this. I mean, wouldn’t you have a hard time understanding anyone’s reasoning? The sentence seemed so “needlessly gendered”. Unless the poster finds such murders committed by women reasonable, or thinks that women don’t commit such murders, or finds the motives of men especially baffling, then what is the point of phrasing it in this way?
I’d hoped that my post would nudge the original poster into explaining, but “somehow” that conversation was derailed and I haven’t gotten a reply.
All of these cases are sad, and I saw no discussion at all on the grandmother case. From your comments, you seem to prefer to look at tragedies like these through a gender lens. I just don’t.
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