The bodies were found Friday inside the Grand Haven residence, police said, and the children were 5 to 15 years old.

The bodies were found Friday inside the Grand Haven residence, police said, and the children were 5 to 15 years old.

A man fatally shot his wife and their six children before he set the Michigan home they shared ablaze and turned the gun on himself, authorities said Monday.

Kristopher Karolkiewicz, 47, killed his wife, Amanda, 39, and their children, ages 5 to 15, Ottawa County Sheriff’s Capt. Jake Sparks said at a news conference.

They were found dead after first responders arrived at the home in Grand Haven, on the eastern shore of Lake Michigan, late Friday morning, Sparks said. Autopsies showed all had been shot, he said.

  • velma@sh.itjust.worksBanned from community
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    6 days ago

    I’ll never understand a man’s reasoning for doing that. How can one be an arbiter over the lives of your partner and kids…

    And I’ll never understand a grandmother’s reason for doing this

    Why did you respond this way? I’m sincerely asking for the record.

    • toast@retrolemmy.com
      91·
      6 days ago

      For the record? Anyway…

      Firstly, I saw several pieces of news coverage on the grandmother case before all of the details came out, and in the end the story was more grim than I had anticipated. Early in the coverage, I had assumed that one of the two parents of the children was responsible. Soon, it became clear that the father was not involved, which left only the mother, grandmother, or possibly one of the children. I admit that I did not want to consider it possible that it would be the grandmother, and was horrified to find out that it was. I could not, and cannot, conceive of anyone killing her child and the children of her child. I do not know what circumstances drove her to do this, but my thoughts of course went to mental illness, dementia, substance abuse etc.

      Then, today I see the post you’ve quoted above and the first sentence - what a weird way of phrasing this. I mean, wouldn’t you have a hard time understanding anyone’s reasoning? The sentence seemed so “needlessly gendered”. Unless the poster finds such murders committed by women reasonable, or thinks that women don’t commit such murders, or finds the motives of men especially baffling, then what is the point of phrasing it in this way?

      I’d hoped that my post would nudge the original poster into explaining, but “somehow” that conversation was derailed and I haven’t gotten a reply.

      All of these cases are sad, and I saw no discussion at all on the grandmother case. From your comments, you seem to prefer to look at tragedies like these through a gender lens. I just don’t.