I wonder if in another ~30 years we’ll get another wave of nostalgia and make the Delorean v3?
I wonder if it will be possible to have antique cars from this period on. With all of the software in them they’d have to release the source code or decompile it to keep them on the road.
I have an “old” electric car. (2018 Leaf) I’ve noticed some of the issues you allude to.
There is a Nissan app that doesn’t work for the car anymore, because the car has a 3G cellular radio in it, and there just aren’t many, if any, remaining 2g/3g towers. It does have android auto, which so far I don’t care for, but that’s probably a skill issue. The car has navigation, but the maps are out of date and Nissan isn’t offering updates anymore. It has Sirius XM, and I think I could just turn on the subscription and it would work. Lastly, the “rapid charge” port on the car is a CHAdeMo port, and there are fewer of those than NACS or CCS.
Outside of those things, the car works like any other EV. All menus and screens operate and all the accessories work.
Whether or not something will last as a “classic car” depends on the same thing as it always has: the number of weirdos interested in that car. There aren’t huge groups of people trying to keep Chevy Chevettes or AMC Concords alive, but there are huge online communities and even some cottage industries that have risen up around things like Jeeps, Suzuki Samurais, air-cooled Volkswagens, old BMW’s, and yes, Nissan Leafs.
Sure. The shell and possibly drivetrain will be original, and the electronics will be replaced. Just like all those kits to make electric vw buses (though they will still run just gine on gasoline. l
I’m not sure we could make a profitable, well-built DeLorean, even if a real automaker tried. Testla didn’t do anyone any favors, but there are reasons they Deloreans failed to take the market by storm. Outside being unique/famous, they weren’t easy to deal with on any front
Yeah, that’s my point. The Cybertruck seems heavily inspired by the nostalgia of the Delorean and people forgetting the problems. It’s easy to think that they were considered cool by watching Back to the Future, but they were considered junkers, and that’s even how it’s meant to be viewed by Doc using it.
One of these drove by me the other day in a parking lot and it was just squeaking and creaking in a way you’d expect a 30 year old vehicle to sound, the thing is basically a half-finished prototype that I guess Musk just got sick of trying to make actually good because he knows that his cult chuds buying these things couldn’t give a fuck if they are built properly or not.
It was ill-conceived, over-promised, and under-delivered.
They’re huge. They’re ‘stainless’. They’re unibody. The drivetrain is expensive as shit. The tech innovations (digital door handles, controlless dash, bed cover are just wastes of money.
He wanted to make an impregnable, floatable tank. They ended up cutting every corner on structure and putting that into form, but when they finished, the design and QC was so bad that it just failed all over.
To fix everything that would be needed to cover the non-artistic issues, it would be the price of a large house instead of a small one.
Ok I was wondering if the one I heard creaking by me the other day was an anomaly. There are two locally and they both have squeaky suspension.
Yeah, I hadn’t seen one drive by slowly in a quiet area before, so this is the first time I noticed it, but it sure sounded like the boots and/or joints were already toast on a 2-to-4 year-old truck, which is insane.
Me, I’m worried about the brake lines.
It truly does look like an “apocalypse-proof tank” in the sense that it resembles a cheesy “car of the future” slapped together with sheet metal for a low-budget sci-fi flick. I think they were channeling Damnation Alley.
@LovableSidekick @technology Ah I see you’ve also watched “Damnation Alley”
Yes, probably on Showtime back in the 80s.
The androids butt plug.
But it looks so good!!!
/s
Imagine being so dumb you manage to turn that kind of momentum into the electric Edsel
IDK, the Edsel was at least reasonably priced.
I also don’t think the Cybertruck’s aestetics are going to age the same way Edsel’s has.
Even placed in de universe of Cyberpunk, where it’s allegedly from, it really is mostly just a dumpster with wheels.
I was going to comment on that but didn’t want to get burned at the stake. I agree the Edsel was a pretty good looking car, even if it wasn’t completely conventional for the time period. The cybertruck almost looked good in its early concept days before it got turned into a literal dumpster fire.
I saw some Chinese company had done a reskin or replica of the cyber truck body but actually made it look kinda cool, like something you’d actually expect to find in a film.
It just showed what an abject failure Musk is, as it’s the only car he had a hand in designing…
Is it even.considered “automotive”?
Interesting.
I actually don’t hate the cypbertruck…
I know I’m in the minority… But I really hate boring gray cars and this thing is definitely not boring!
Fuck Elon and all his fucking bullshit, but let’s imagine a world where he loses everything, now I know it’s difficult but try imagine this scenario through your perfectly natural erection at the though of musk going broke (perfectly natural response). But imagine he’s flat broke, tesla goes under, fire sale on everything… Would you buy one for 10k? … How about 5k?
How low would the price have to go for you to buy one? …for whatever reason, even if it won’t get publicly registration for road use etc.
Even if you like the non boring appearance, the quality of the build is, to my understanding, terrible. Sharp edges on the steel, unevenly aligned everything, corrosion, the giant wiper gets too much stress and fails, etc.
Don’t forget random panels popping off during operation. Cringey “skins” applied to functional parts with shiity adhesive instead of bolts/rivets (e.g. the gas pedal cover that would fall off and jam the accelerator on), bricked by car wash unless deliberately triggering “car wash mode”, hidden or no emergency release for door locks sealing people into burning/submerged vehicles, truck that can’t tow, bed that can’t fit common items like a bike or dimensional lumber, perpetually ugly rust/hand oil stained panels, no magic unbreakable panels/glass, less range delivered than advertised, multiple features disabled by snow, improper safety sensors to detect occlusions leading to the finger chop/pinch incidents, cheap vibrating interior and fake auto pilot that constantly tries to kill passengers and pedestrians. And of course giving car makers cover to follow the dangerous, shitty tablet based Interior and attempt to end physical, no-look controls in moving motor vehicles.
And that’s just top of mind from inside this hellish firehose to the face of disappointing information that we live in everyday.
At least those 63 actual humans that purchased one clearly identify as the worst people in their communities with these malfunctioning $100,000 vape pens on wheels.
I am also in the minority in that I like how it looks. It has a retro futuristic feel to it.
Having said that, putting aside that it became THE Nazi mobile of our time, it is stupidly big and apparently very badly made.
No, I would not even take one even if they paid me the current price. The thing is not street legal in the EU, therefore useless. The reasons that it is not street legal have nothing to do with Elon directly but with that vehicle being unjustifiably dangerous to pedestrians and other drivers as well. If you drive one of those it tells all the others how much you care about everyone that isn’t you.
I reject that thing not because it isn’t street legal I reject it for why it isn’t street legal and that goes down to the heart of its design and concept.
Id only want one to take the drivetrain or batteries out of. I bet that happens to a lot of them.
I would be a buyer at a low price if not for the social stigma. In a parallel universe where Elon released the cyber truck but kept his 2016 public image I’d but one for a low low price.
It doesn’t matter how cheap I can get one, because A) it is incredibly ugly and shouts to everyone around you that you have incredibly bad taste, and B) because it is a poorly designed piece of junk that breaks just by being in the car wash. Why would I want something that is both expensive to fix AND breaks easily?
You’d have to pay me to take one now, even with the warranty and a service arm that presumably exists. After the company is defunct? That’s the heaviest piece of ewaste ever made.
Tesla has a reputation around confronting people with expensive battery pack swaps over a broken coolant pipe and stuff like that, you don’t need them to go out of business for a reasonable chance to turn your car into premature ewaste.
…heaviest piece of e-waste ever made so far
You couldn’t pay me any sum of money to debase myself that much, and I love debasing myself.
The build quality and reputation ruin it for me
I actually don’t hate the cypbertruck…
Hate is a big word, but Elon’s antics, the fact that most of the car’s aestetics are essentially superglued trim pieces, and that it just isn’t a better truck in any meaningful sense of the word took away most of this vehicle’s appeal to me.
Mostly the first point though.
That it ultimately didn’t sell for anywhere near the origionally announced price, and that in Europe they don’t want it on the road at all, also doesn’t help.
They have always reminded me of a trough urinal in a gay men’s leather bar, especially the silver ones.
Are we talking about the lose metal ones you see at like national parks that sound like youre pissing into a metal drum? If so I agree.
Musk = POS Nazi.
For as long as I live I’ll never understand how people could see that unveiling where the doofuses on stage hurl a big metal ball at the “bulletproof” glass and watch it crack during the live demo, and still think “Yeah I’ll pre-order one of those”.
Manchildren, fascist sympathizers, and deeply unserious or delusional people drive these cars. There is no “I bought it before I knew how crazy Elon was.”
Like, who would even want a car that is impossible to escape from during an emergency?
For as long as I live I’ll never understand how people could see that unveiling where the doofuses on stage hurl a big metal ball at the “bulletproof” glass and watch it crack during the live demo, and still think “Yeah I’ll pre-order one of those”.
Bulletproof glass is actually illegal by US safety standards. In fact, the side windows have to be easy to break by EMTs for emergency extraction.
Musk’s engineers knew this, but were too afraid to tell him before the demo.
Source for illegality in the US? Pretty confident it’s not illegal, just heavy and expensive.
Yep. A lot of car models or body styles carry stereotypes to varying degrees of accuracy. But, whoever would buy one of those monstrosities fits a certain stereotype 100% of the time: someone that buys a CT is both a complete moron and devoid of any sense of morality. Stupid and evil.
Manchildren, fascist sympathizers, and deeply unserious or delusional people
This is like 60% of the American populace. You would think the Cyberfuck would be more successful.
And this is why I flip them off every single time they pass by. Every single time. No exceptions.
Fuck Nazi’s, man.
I just point and bray laughter while looking them directly in their faces. The forehead veins are all a-throb.
Was taking a short road trip this past weekend, and got a chance to pass two; one decked out in a horrible purple camo pattern… You can bet right that the bird was flipped at both (as well as many, many other Teslas).
I’d upvote but you’re at 88 and I find that apropos
You are overestimating how many people care about Elon since you are here on Lemmy where everyone cares deeply about it, seemingly.
Sure, but take Elon out of it. How do you not stop and think about it if the demo of a feature fails that badly?
The Bronco had massive failures as soon as people started getting their hands on them. Sales went crazy at first but then crashed through the floor. There’s a Ford dealer across from my work that has like 85 of them on the lot and they barely sell now.
You know what jacked Bronco sales in the 90s? OJ Simpson car chase. American consumers are idiots.
I suspect it would not have been a huge success, but it would have done significantly better if all the political BS hadn’t been involved. Whatever though, it’s in the history books now.
You say it’s just in the hostory books, but unfortunately for me, I see one almost every time I drive anywhere longer than 10 minutes. It’s entirety possible I’m seeing the same guy more frequently because we live close to each other, but checking the license plates on them when I can, I’ve seen no less than half a dozen unique Cybertrucks in the last couple years, mostly along the same commute to and from work (no highways)
Yeah, despite their low sales I see them constantly. But I live in a really conservative area where most people think Musk isn’t far enough to the right. I travel through a lot of rural areas all over the country and I think more rednecks would buy them but it isn’t as reliable as a twenty year old diesel truck. Now that they’re selling much cheaper than at the beginning they seem to be trickling out.
I had some weirdo conservative explain that he would have gotten one but he was scared some “trans thug” would single him out for retribution if he drove one - it’s incredible, musk has finally united both sides of US politics with this truck; Nobody wants to be seen in one of these things.
I think I have a pretty good idea of what their porn history search looks like
Even if Musk had remained entirely apolitical, I can’t imagine the Cyber Truck doing much better without also doing something to address the high profile safety issues with the car and the insane number of recalls issued for it. Even if it had managed to get off to a stronger start, I would still expect people to abandon it in droves once they realized it was an overpriced deathtrap that could crap out on them and leave them stranded at any time.
Politics aside it would have done significantly better if the pricing they had during its announcement event was anything close to the pricing it had at release. They announced it at $39.9k, $49.9k, and $69.9k for the RWD, AWD, and Cyberbeast. The RWD didn’t really ever happen, at least not as announced. They did release a RWD but it was different and much more expensive. They pulled it from market after ~5 months. The AWD and Cyberbeast actually released at $69.9k and $99.9k. Needless to say many people cancelled their preorders.
Beating out the Edsel for worst automotive flop is quite a feat.
Couldn’t happen to an uglier, more stupid car.
It looks like something a 6 year old designed on a 1980s PC.
I would usually give a lot of credit to someone trying something different, but I’d drive a 1971 Ford Pinto before I ever intentionally get within photographable proximity to a Cybertruck.
The danger of the Pinto was exaggerated. Do a web search for the You’re Wrong About episode on the Pinto. The investigative reporting on the Pinto’s safety flaw used a demonstration rigged to explode. Other subcompact cars had a similar dangling fuel tank, and the number of actual Pinto explosions in the field was actually rarer than those of its competitors.
It was all fueled by a law firm, who picked out Ford because they had the most cash at the time.
Same thing with AUDI “sudden acceleration”.
then again with Toyota “sudden acceleration” , but Toyota had black boxes that proved the car’s accelerators were being pressed. Since then, every car company tracks data to prevent lawsuits.
And ironically, the danger of teslas is underreported and downplayed. Don’t you still burn a lithium-firey death if the electricity goes out during a car fire? There have been many people that have died from that insane intentional design already…
WOW! TIL!
And you’d be safer for it.
Super gluing pieces onto the vehicle is certainly something different. But I think there’s something different should have a reason behind it. XD
I dunno man, I’m pretty sure as a 6 year old I knew how to use the curve / circle tool in DeluxePaint on my Amiga.
You just know this is the one car that Elon designed personally, like that episode of the Simpsons where Homer bankrupts his brothers car company, only real life doesn’t actually punish idiocy.
I’d actually drive a Homer.
When the cybertruck was first announced, I actually appreciated how different it looked, but its performance and association to Musk has entirely ruined any hope of me ever liking a low-poly vehicle ever again.
I thought it would look unique in a geeky way. Instead it looks unique in a Nazi way. That’s not my vibe. Killed my enthusiasm for owning something that I knew most people would hate. Also costing twice as much and being a piece of shit.
I think it has plenty of reasons to not like it that are completely non political. The other stuff is just icing on the cake.
I dunno, the original Lotus esprit is still pretty cool in my book
All of the wedge cars are cool … Triumph TR7, Fiat X1-9, 1970s exotica and kit cars.
So many beautiful, sexy, impractical vehicles *sigh*
I know this sounds really pathetic to say out loud now that it’s a confirmed flop, but I never liked the look.
I didn’t really care about the look. Then I saw one in the flesh in a car show. The thing just looked strange up close. It was cordoned off too unlike the hundreds of other cars there. I guess they didn’t want people touching it because lots of greasy fingers and stainless steel body don’t mix well.
it never had the makings of a varsity athlete
When the cybertruck was first announced, I actually appreciated how different it looked
Yeah, same here. I usually like weird looking forms for ordinary objects. The cybertruck counts.
Even disregarding the emotional association to Musk, which is nigh impossible, the engineering of the car makes it suck to hell, because that’s all Musk’s decision he forced.
I saw a concept car and expected to see a radically different version on the road. As a design study, I thought it had potential.
Indeed.
Still shocking he never hired a designer. Even an idiot fraud like Elizabeth Holmes knew to do that.
Still shocking he never hired a designer
Cyber truck designer was Franz von Holzhausen.
It looks like something a 6 year old designed on a 1980s PC.
It looks like my drawing of a car as a 4 year old brought to reality
If only Americans applied this level of critical thought to every pickup truck they love to buy.
That’s quite exactly what they were going for actually. Lo-res graphic to represent hi-tech. Somewhat like military camo is now pixelated for no practical reason.
Just because you don’t know why digital camouflage exists doesn’t mean it has no practical purpose.
Very interesting, but after reading, it specifically states that it’s the multi scaling that has a function on the battlefield, which can be implemented through all shapes basically.
The ‘digital’ (square) patterning is most certainly either cost saving measures, fashion, or both.
“The pixellated style, however, simplifies design and eases printing on fabric, compared to traditional patterns. While digital patterns are becoming widespread, critics maintain that the pixellated look is a question of fashion rather than function.[7]”
Now I’m aware you just stated that ‘it had a practical purpose’ but your tone and framing suggests to me something other than ‘its easier and cheaper to manufacture’.
Neither pixellation nor digitization contributes to the camouflaging effect. The pixellated style, however, simplifies design and eases printing on fabric, compared to traditional patterns. While digital patterns are becoming widespread, critics maintain that the pixellated look is a question of fashion rather than function.
Simplified design and easier printing sounds like a very practical purpose.
At the cost of drip? Very much not worth.
Drip or drown, baby 😎
That paragraph seems to contradict itself. “ease of printing” is a functional concern, even if it doesn’t affect the camo while in use.
nah, you’re totally off topic. I was responding to looks. sorry for distracting you away from looks by mentioning practicality. on practicality, the reason for the cybertruck panels is they’re stainless steel. on looks, you didn’t reply. since you avoided that topic, i suspect you’re another sheep who jumped on the “ugly” bandwagon and aren’t able to say much more than “ugly ugly ugly”. no interest.
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