• SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world
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    7 months ago

    Trump has only set a precedent for China. If the rest of the west doesn’t do shit about this, which they won’t, China will just follow Trumps playbook. Don’t be surprised when Xi will order the kidnapping of the Taiwanese president.

    • optissima (she/her)@lemmy.ml
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      7 months ago

      Lmao what an insane whataboutism, akin to “the crazy screaming guy that stomps over the neighborhood just took another person hostage. So watch out for the quiet neighbor that has done nothing wrong for my entire life time, they’ll probably start taking hostages any minute too.”

      • cheesybuddha@lemmy.world
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        7 months ago

        Are you saying the CCP has done nothing that violates international laws or threaten other countries sovereignty?

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      7 months ago

      China, whatever it is, doesn’t wage direct wars abroad and kidnap random presidents. Well, for now, at least. But seeing there is no accountability, they will certainly consider it much more seriously.

    • Eldritch@piefed.world
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      7 months ago

      Hey now. No reason to start behaving like tankies/ML. If it’s valid for the West to criticize them for their faults. (It is) Then, turn about is just as valid. Even if the criticism comes from a place of hypocrisy like this.

      If anything, this should just be a reminder that no state is your ally or a responsible actor. And that the more power and concentration they have, like the United States, Russia, or China. The more brazenly they will abuse the people they’re supposed to represent and everyone around them.

      • Diplomjodler@lemmy.world
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        7 months ago

        I was in no way trying to imply that the pot and the kettle aren’t both black. That’s the whole point of the expression.

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          7 months ago

          I know, and that’s why I didn’t down vote you. It’s just not really useful here. The United States calls out China all the time for its imperialism, oppression and abuses. And inevitably ML fall back to United States/West Bad. To defang any criticism. It’s not valid or appropriate when they do it. And it’s not when we do it either. Even when done with appropriate nuance as you did.

          This is something that the United States is absolutely going to have to own. The criticism is 100% deserved and doesn’t need any defense or deflection like that. Unless of course, they are openly saying that they are better than the United States or the West. Then it would be absolutely appropriate. If it weren’t for hypocritical criticism, there wouldn’t be hardly be any criticism.

  • crapwittyname@feddit.uk
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    7 months ago

    ‘International norms’ like freedom from torture and genocide? Freedom of speech?
    Fuck off China, you’re no better than the USA.

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      7 months ago

      On the international stage at least, they are much better than the USA. I dont think any country comes close to being how awful the USA has treated the rest of the world.

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        7 months ago

        I don’t think you can get a cigarette paper between them, morally. Tibet, Hong Kong, Uighurs, Taiwan are all things that spring to mind and that’s without having to think about it or do any research.