With MFA we can eleminate all other government health care programs at all levels including the VA. There is so much cost savings for all involved
How would getting rid of the VA result in savings?
Like, you think privatizing it and having the government pay the existing healthcare industry would somehow be cheaper?
There’s so many bad ancedotal stories about the VA, because it’s the single largest healthcare provider. But the last MRI I got, the doctor just said “you want a MRI”? Called downstairs, and said I had 15 minutes to get down there.
It’s really really fucking hard to get that level of response time involving any kind of insurance…
It was quick and easy because not a single person was worried about cost or profit. That machine was sitting there and so was the person operating it, the person who reviewed my images worked 8 hours a day anyways.
If it went thru M4A the provider would have paid someone to set the price as high as possible, paid someone to argue it should be higher, would recommend ones that aren’t need to fill a slot…
Meanwhile the insurance would have to pay someone to negotiate a lower base price, lower per instance price, to try and evaluate if it was needed, try to negotiate for a cheaper scan…
Privatization will never solve anything, a better solution would be expand the VA to civilians.
Why is everyone down voting this, he’s right. Having a VA like system for all would probably be the cheapest option because the VA is a government run insurance like MFA but also government run hospitals. So no for profit insurance and no for profit hospitals. So if we got rid of the VA, instead of veterans going to a government run hospital they would be forced to go to a privatized(for profit) hospital.
I just still can’t get over how the person I was replying to just didn’t even know what the word “privatization” meant or that they were literally arguing for it…
Like, especially a month before an important American election, that’s a tough one to believe.
I don’t understand what you’re trying to say?
The VA run and operate there own hospitals. So if you got rid of the VA you would get rid of those government run hospitals and force those veterans to go to for profit(privatized) hospitals instead. Which obviously cost more money. A VA like system for all like [email protected] described would probably be the most cost effect system to use.
How would getting rid of the VA result in savings?
The rest was me explaining why it wouldn’t save money…
You were talking about privatizing I wasn’t.
One government heath care system is enough for all of us MFA fixes redundancy
You were talking about privatizing I wasn’t.
How would getting rid of the VA (a government healthcare provider) and instead paying a private healthcare provider government MFA funds not be considered privatization?
And unfortunately I think my next question is going to have to be: what do you think privatization is, if not the removal of a government service provider and replacing them with a privately owned company?
Edit:
Holy shit…
You think Medicare means you go to a Medicare doctor at a Medicare hospital…
That’s the only explanation for what you’re thinking…
With Original Medicare you can:
Go to any doctor or hospital that takes Medicare, anywhere in the U.S.
https://www.medicare.gov/basics/get-started-with-medicare/medicare-basics/how-does-medicare-work
Medicare is a system to pay for healthcare…
It is not a network of healthcare providers employeed directly by the government. That is what the VA is
I hope that clears it up, but please try to learn the basics of a topic first
Medicare sets its own prices, at least in the specialties I’ve interfaced with. Doesn’t matter who the provider is. The whole thing saves money because there’s no more need for 3 separate national healthcare systems (Medicare, Medicaid, VA) and a ton of bureaucracy can be reduced, especially on the eligibility check front. Whether or not medicare pricing is profitable for the entities providing healthcare or not is their problem, not Medicare’s, but they’ll get to lay off a bunch of billing employees themselves, because there’s so much work with prior auths, benefit verification, etc that’s no longer necessary, so they should be able to reduce their own costs too (which they’ll kinda have to if they can only ever charge medicare rates and not private rates).
Right now, the US federal government spends more on health care as a % of GDP than many nations with single-payer healthcare. And then you add people’s out of pocket spending, private insurance premiums, etc to it… It’s ridiculous. Oh and I forgot state gov spending! They spend some money on Medicaid. Medicare for all isn’t the absolute most perfect possible solution, sure, but it’s going to save a ton of money.
there’s no more need for 3 separate national healthcare systems (Medicare, Medicaid, VA)
We don’t need doctors and nurses as long as we have claim approvers!
You gonna tell us how we don’t need the USPS because we have FedEx and UPS next?
Why the fuck can’t you see a better solution would be nationalizing the rest of the healthcare providers rather than privatizing the single largest healthcare provider in the country?
Why is everyone set on maintaining a for profit healthcare system?
Seriously, why do you think for profit healthcare is a good idea?
Or do you not know what that actually means like the last account didn’t know what privatization means?
I don’t really consider paying a private sector doctor with government funds privatization.
Then you’re wrong…
That’s not an opinion, you just don’t know what privatization means:
privatization, transfer of government services or assets to the private sector. State-owned assets may be sold to private owners, or statutory restrictions on competition between privately and publicly owned enterprises may be lifted. Services formerly provided by government may be contracted out. The objective is often to increase government efficiency; implementation may affect government revenue either positively or negatively. Privatization is the opposite of nationalization, a policy resorted to by governments that want to keep the revenues from major industries, especially those that might otherwise be controlled by foreign interests.
https://www.britannica.com/money/privatization
You’re literally arguing for privatization, and defending it by not knowing what the word means…
Are you serious right now?
Because it would eliminate insurance companies and the manipulation that they do in order to raise costs for healthcare, while incentivizing the elimination of big pharma from using drugs and treatments developed by public funding and colleges to be privitised and owned by big pharma and charging asinine prices for them. The health insurance and drug industry are why healthcare in the US is stupidly expensive.
Honestly I’d be happy to call it “Trumpcare” if that’s what it takes to end our current dystopian nightmare system.
66 percent of… Congress? 66 percent of… a single state legislature?
Or just 66 percent of an arbitrary sample of the public, weighted without consideration for electoral math?
It’s important to remember, the plan for universal healthcare predates the current American system:
With the Great Depression, more and more people could not afford medical services. In 1933, Franklin D. Roosevelt asked Isidore Falk and Edgar Sydenstricter to help draft provisions to Roosevelt’s pending Social Security legislation to include publicly funded health care programs. These reforms were attacked by the American Medical Association as well as state and local affiliates of the AMA as “compulsory health insurance.” Roosevelt ended up removing the health care provisions from the bill in 1935. Fear of organized medicine’s opposition to universal health care became standard for decades after the 1930s.[14]
During this time, individual hospitals began offering their own insurance programs, the first of which became Blue Cross.[15] Groups of hospitals as well as physician groups (i.e. Blue Shield) soon began selling group health insurance policies to employers, who then offered them to their employees and collected premiums. In the 1940s Congress passed legislation that supported the new third-party insurers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_health_care_reform_in_the_United_States#1930s–1950s
This isn’t really accurate for eligibility, Medicaid doesn’t cover low income people in all states without qualifying conditions, such as pregnancy or blindness. Just being low income isn’t enough in states that didn’t do the Medicaid expansion.
The letters are too small to read.
