• Jack@slrpnk.net
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    1 day ago

    I love how the most basic social democratic(at best) policies in the US are framed as “socialism”

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      19 hours ago

      The US never recovered from the Red Scare and McCarthyism. I’d even argue that both of those things entrenched US society into propaganda even more.

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      1 day ago

      The idea of the “undeserving” getting anything provided to them gets a lot of people very angry here. And then those same people probably:

      • Call themselves good Christians.
      • Are beneficiaries of some sort of public welfare whether they realize it or not.
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        If they’re opposed to “socialism” as Fox News uses the term because some of the recipients aren’t “deserving”, they have started far from the words attributed to Jesus and God in the Christian Bible.

        https://biblerepository.com/bible-verses-about-socialism/

        Matthew 25:35

        “For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in.”

        (And if you think this quote is out of context, go read the chapter. Jesus is depicted literally telling his followers that to get into heaven they need to take care of the poor.)

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      22 hours ago

      Technically it is, no? Socialism is community ownership of the means of production which includes labor. And that can arguably be extended to socialized services for labor such has healthcare, public transportation, and grocery stores.

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        Social democracy is not socialism by any metric, socialism starts at ownership of the means of production by workers, and a state that works for the proletariat and not capitalists. That’s the starting point, from there you can then add whatever social programs on top, but if you don’t start from there you’re still in a bourgeois democracy

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          20 hours ago

          I disagree, socialist institutions or services can still exist within a capitalist government, even if it is piecemeal. There doesn’t have to be a threshhold to pass for some aspect to be considered socialism.

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            To expand upon you: examples of such institutions or policies would be free healthcare, universal basic income, but also places like libraries. You could even call (financial) support for housing & children, as well as progressive taxes socialist - despite the system in which they exist being capitalist.