How can you order a farmer to destroy their trees? I hope he fights in a higher court. Wish I’d heard about the nectarine giveaway. I’d have gone to pick some.

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    There’s shit that should be illegal no matter how a contract is written. An example that comes to mind is how landlords love to put things in a lease that aren’t legally enforceable.

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      Then it sounds like you want an authoritarian nanny state…

      Which actually isn’t surprising

      Pre-emptive edit:

      The point being if “unfair” contracts are illegal, then the government is the one saying what contracts are fair.

      And a single look in the general direction of the American government, should I dictate why that’s a bad plan.

      The most likely result, is the rich abuse it, and suddenly “fair” just means “fuck over the poors”.

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          Whether or not a contract is “fair” has absolutely nothing to do with legality.

          If I want to sell you my house for a $1, then that’s legal.

          If you manipulate me, or coerce me, not legal.

          That is how it is supposed to work.

          If I can’t sell you my house for $1, what price will the state let me sell?

          $1k? 10k? 100k?

          What happens when there’s a market crash and the state doesn’t want to acknowledge by letting homes sell for less?

          What about the other way? What if they say 100k is too much and no matter what my house can only be sold for 10k? Do you think that would be a land of cheap houses or do you realize it would quickly lead to only rentals ever being available and shit benefits from property taxes while landlord income skyrockets?

          And I know, a one time sale of a house isn’t the same as contracted selling of a crop…

          But trust me, this is easier to explain and pretty much the same thing.

          Hell, I grew tobacco growing up, and like most crops the government will buy pretty much anything at below market price exactly for stuff like this. It’s a hugely important part of being any kind of farmer to know about this program

          I don’t expect any of you to know anything about that

          But a guy buying an orchard should.

          And anyone signing any sort of sales and distribution deal, needs a lawyer.

          If it’s exclusive you need the most lawyer you can afford

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            Contracts are meaningless without the state as an enforcement mechanism. The state has an interest in contracts, which it defines in like, ‘contract laws’. These laws put superseding constraints on contracts. I understand, that in the case of this farmer, no laws may have been broken. What I’m saying is that there could (and perhaps should) be such a law. Just like in a residential lease, the landlord can’t override legal protections.

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              Contracts are meaningless without the state as an enforcement mechanism

              No one is disagreeing with you.

              What I’m saying is that there could (and perhaps should) be such a law

              Based on what? Like, what should the law be about?

              Just like in a residential lease, the landlord can’t override legal protections.

              You’re being vague and hand wavy and not thinking of what happens.

              Are you banning exclusivity?

              Are you saying the state needs to set “fair” prices?

              What are you actually suggesting become illegal?

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                I was agreeing with a previous commenter, that if the company wants to enforce exclusivity, that should only be enforceable so long as they purchase his crop.

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                  that if the company wants to enforce exclusivity, that should only be enforceable so long as they purchase his crop.

                  And you honest, hand to God…

                  Didn’t see that a grower can then just sign it and provide shit quality produce and the company has to buy it?

                  Like, you’ve legitimately taken the time thru these replies to stop and picture you’re idea, and that immediate problem didn’t show up with a big flashing light in your brain?

                  There’s already a federal government program that exists to buy below market value. I legitimately don’t know if necteraines is included, but even tobacco is. No matter how shitty it is, there’s a bare minimum the government will pay, and that goes in a giant warehouse in case there’s a supply issue.

                  There is a system set up, better than what you just thought of.

                  But because you don’t know anything about this you don’t know that.

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                    Hey dude. Just fuck off, OK? You are weirdly worked up about this, and now you’re being an asshole because of what you imagine I did or didn’t think of?