… I think they need to call it. 11 is dead.
I remember when they made the claim that windows 10 was the last windows you will use, and hey look they got that one right.
Usually this is the point where they have Windows 12! Yay! Totally not the same thing as Windows 11 but beta tested by your own customers.
I had an i7-7700, which somehow fell into a weird gap where win11 just wasn’t supported.
Held onto win10 for a while with it before upgrading in like October 2025. At that point I’d watched m$ blow it over and over, including the fiasco that is Recall in win11, not to mention all to copilot shit.
District hopped a little before landing on cachyos for now, which has been pretty great, and haven’t looked back.
Of all the big corpus, m$ is the one that pisses me off the most.
Of all the big corpus, m$ is the one that pisses me off the most.
I mean, at least Microsoft produces stuff. Equifax collected all your personal data without your consent and sold access to it. Then they got hacked and leaked the personal data of literally every single adult in the US… And the punishment for that? They got a 7 million dollar contract from the government and were allowed to go back to doing business as usual. You got a few months of “Free identity protection” and then they started auto-billing you for continued protection.
An actual punishment would have been to seizing all their assets, scrub the data off their hardware, send the CEO a bill for the data destruction service, then auction off all the assets and put that money into a fund dedicated to identifying and prosecuting identity theft, and making sure the other two credit reporting agencies stay up to date on their security.
Windows 11 feels awful to use. My home laptop whirrs like crazy because it feels the need to download updates so often. There’s a bunch of creepy processes/tasks running all the time. I tried to disable as many as I could, but some they prevent users from deleting. You don’t want your laptop to run the “UsageAndQualityInsights” task every day? Well TOO BAD!
Windows 11 forces updates whenever it can. If I close the lid on my laptop, which should put it in a light sleep, I will sometimes open it up to it being restarted, so all my previously open programs being closed, because I guess they wanted to forcefully make me get their latest updates, potential unsaved work be damned. They don’t care at all what you want, just “too bad, we know what’s best for you.”
There are so many basic bugs that I’m surprised exist. I have to use ExplorerPatcher to get some sense of normalcy back. The UI in some ways is so frustrating. Every time I want to use the calendar, it shows a giant empty blob for “notifications”, even though I disable all notifications… why still show me this waste of space? I just want a calendar when I click the date…
I was shocked to find out that the inability to drag files onto applications in order to do basic drag-and-drop functionality is not a thing anymore. Why?! (I think ExplorerPatcher fixes this on my home laptop, but on my work laptop which also uses Windows 11 I am baffled by this every time I forget and try to drag a file onto a taskbar icon.)
It sucks having to constantly look up various tips, tricks, and hacks to make the operating system slightly bearable in all these little ways. “Here’s how you can disable OneDrive which apparently had a habit of removing people’s files whoopsie, here’s how you can disable Copilot which had a super helpful feature where it literally just snapshots pictures of your screen all the time haha how helpful and totally not creepy, here’s how you can bring back the normal right-click menu.” But it only can do so much, and it’s exhausting.
I feel like it’s not “my computer,” it feels like the most “Big Brother” operating system ever; it always feels like “something” is watching me or lurking in the background reporting back to some giant Microsoft data center on what I’m doing, what my files are, etc. It’s just this really creepy feeling. I feel “gross” when I use it.
I wish I could have Windows 10, but I know that’s basically not an option anymore. I want to switch to Linux, but I’m not techy enough and worried I’ll fail at switching over. I am slowly working up the courage to try to install Linux Mint, as that sounds like the most beginner-coming-from-Windows-friendly distro of Linux.
Installing and using Mint is easier than about half of the things you’ve already “fixed” on Windows. You definitely can manage switching. If you can, backup your data on a separate drive and install Mint. If you don’t have a spare SSD (or a few dozen), you can always put Mint on a USB, boot from that, and test it out without modifying your windows operating system.
But, I switched to mint “just to test it” and I’ve only gone back to windows once, and that was to migrate the data from my expensive Samsung SSD to the bargain bin SSD I bought for testing Mint in the first place.
Honestly, Mint has been so easy, I switched my mom’s new laptop to Mint, and she vastly prefers it to Windows 11, and I haven’t needed to touch her computer since then.
Set all your networks to metered, Windows will stop updating, and you can apply them when you want
I feel like it’s not “my computer,” it feels like the most “Big Brother” operating system ever; it always feels like “something” is watching me or lurking in the background reporting back to some giant Microsoft data center on what I’m doing, what my files are, etc. It’s just this really creepy feeling. I feel “gross” when I use it.
You know what feels great? Not having that feeling. Not having the whispering chorus of surveillance like a fat fucking argus of paranoia weighing on your psyche while you attempt to use YOUR computer. Quite frankly how dare they fucking do that to you. MS wastes your time and agitates your conscience. Nowadays you really don’t need to know much about many Linux Distros before you use them, and the best way to know a bit more is to simply try.
I’m not techy enough and worried I’ll fail at switching over.
Considering how much technical workaround you have to do just to make 11 bearable, I strongly doubt this statement. Think of it in small steps: Download the version of WhateverOS you want (Mint is great). Put it on a USB. Try out the virtual Desktop without installing anything. See if you like it. Maybe a day later back up your files. I mean everyone should do that every now and again regardless of what OS you use, right?
Then try the Virtual Desktop again. Click the button that says install and just run through the process without intending to complete it. You can always back out. Have a look at how it partitions your drive. Consider how much space you might be willing to give it. You might not need much! Are you aware that you can read and access all your files on the Windows NTFS partition from your Linux partition? For myself way back when, this was a light bulb moment. Note some things you might wish to check out online, what certain terms and acronyms mean. When that is done run the installer again. Why not. Just for fun.
Aw, thank you, I appreciate the encouragement!
You know what feels great? Not having that feeling. Not having the whispering chorus of surveillance like a fat fucking argus of paranoia weighing on your psyche while you attempt to use YOUR computer.
For real! I saw the “windows wants to restart” icon next to my “Hibernate” option last night and I cringed internally. Every update they want to do makes me think “oh great, what creepy shit are you potentially going to slide in this time? (because it never feels like an update ever fixes anything I have problems with…)”
The Virtual Desktop sounds interesting, I didn’t know about that. I’ll give it a try first before attempting to do the install! Backing up my files is the first thing I plan to do, I’m kinda dragging my feet on that right now, but hopefully after I get that done, giving Linux Mint a try, especially with this Virtual Desktop thing, shouldn’t be too difficult.
I’m not too good with IT kinda stuff, so I’m not sure if I can figure out how to do a partition. Unless it’s easier than I’ve been led to believe. Though I guess if I backup all my files it won’t be a big deal if I accidentally mess up lol.
Make sure you have the encryption key if your NTFS partition is encrypted with bit locker.
I was able to recover my encryption key from my Microsoft account which raises the question of why bother encrypting my data if Microsoft has my key on file in their cloud? I was glad to be able to recover it but I was not aware that they had it in the first place until a friend told me where to look.
No longer about providing a useful product to the end user. All about extracting personal and behavioural information while enshittifying the tech and “making deals” with hardware tech bros.
and Microsoft just can’t push holdouts to Windows 11
BECAUSE IT REQUIRES NEW HARDWARE!
AI made that impossibly out of reach for too many people.
I understand why tpm chips are a good idea but you can’t just say “fuck you, fork out cash and cut over”.
Look at the move to digital broadcast television.
The percentages are way different (way more people are using legacy PC’s than had legacy tv sets) but they sold adapters for the tv folks.
They did the opposite and pulled the rugs out from under any “proceed anyway” options that were present for putting 11 on incompatible harfware.
TPMs would be cooler if they weren’t proprietary. I understand the benefits of having a place to store sensitive things in a way that they never have to touch disk, but having those chips be controlled in a proprietary fashion by some tech megacorp is not ideal.
Hardly anyone requires new hardware. They haven’t sold PCs that won’t comply for 8 years.
I am typing this reply on an 17 year old PC that works absolutely well for any day-to-day task. A PC that can run Windows 10 happily.
Not the OP and I can only speak for myself, but my daily driver is a rig I built 9 years ago with a motherboard that released 10 years ago without a TPM and it’s running just fine. Processors have advanced so little in the past decade that my top-of-the-line 8c16t 6th gen i7 just powers through whatever I give it without worries. Upgrading the motherboard to a comparable one now means a new CPU and new RAM, and thats just not viable in the current climate. Once things do settle down and I build a new one, I’ll be moving over to linux anyway, W11 is an active security hazard that I’d rather not deal with, moreso than trying to run W10 after updates ended IMO.
Oh so you don’t have a few $1000 just burning a hole in your account? Why are you being mean to microslop? Come on just spend the money, “upgrade” and have a worse experience.
because win11 is a miserable experience. the other week I decided to install it on one of my thinkpads cause I just wanted to “see how it is now” after being on linux for the past couple years. the whole process sucked. it was slow to install, they blitz you with emails as soon as you set up an account and login, and the updates either broke or took forever and ONE of the updates insisted on updating the bios on the thinkpad and totally borked it to the point I immediately uninstalled windows and had to reflash the bios cause Windows decided that my media keys were no longer necessary.
why would the average user want to experience any of that?
Lol, I’m not saying you don’t know what you’re doing, but it’s not usually that difficult. I install windows all the time and it’s on a multitude of devices. It’s all, or at least mostly what you’re familiar with. I don’t have driver issues, or key problems, I don’t setup their online accounts or agree to any of that stuff.
I’m not saying its perfect nor defending Microsoft, but you saying how bad it is doesn’t make it so, it makes you sound incompetent on the subject.
And unless you opt for all default settings, the last time I helped someone with the setup and they setup an Outlook email, they received 2 emails within the first 5 minutes, a welcome and a get to know the new windows BS… So, you sound like you’re exaggerating is all.
I second their experience, installing Linux is such a smoother experience than Windows install these days.
I routinely install Windows: It is undeniably dogshit. Their images don’t even have drivers for their own goddamned devices (Surfaces). This is part of why enterprise environments use shit like SCCM.
Enterprise use SCCM because they need to manage systems, full stop.
I say this as someone who’s worked in that realm since the 90’s doing app packaging, system deployments, and managing systems with SMS.
This is an area specifically where Windows blows Linux away for having standardized system management. If you want something similar in Linux you have to piece it together.
Everything the poster above experienced is common. For example, Windows Updates fuck with your BIOS without warning to ‘streamline the update experience’. You don’t get any special prompt, they just do it.
I had a windows 11 update blow out my secure boot for my bazzite install when I was trying to set up dual boot with them. I had to complete reinstall the OS to get it back up and running.
There’s literally a prompt for BIOS updates warning you to ensure you don’t interrupt them, cut power, or make sure devices are plugged in so it’s not interrupted…
That is highly board dependent. The MS auto-delivered BIOS updates for my work computer just…go. I only realize they happen when I’m greeted by a lengthy BIOS update bar when I try to start my computer for the day.
I daily drive Windows 11 for work. I’m so glad I upgraded by personal system to Linux.
I’ve never had more audio issues than when my work laptop upgraded itself to Windows 11, it’s insanity
Same. I loath windows 11. It’s 5 years old and still sucks so much. Just basic broken shit too.
Yep my 10 year old laptop still chugging along on win10 my new one has Linux.
“Win10 refuses to die”
Why would it need to?
They went out of their way to ruin workflow and customer experience with win 11, then they stuffed it full of malware and spyware. There is a reason no one wants it.
Because you need new hardware for it. So you’d have to spend a shitload of money for an objectively worse experience. Why oh why are people not upgrading? Fucking mystery for the ages.
Skip the evens. It’s always held true.
? That would mean that 10 is bad and 11 is good…
They are both bad, but one is more bad (and it is odd).
10 is 9 and 11 is 10.
No numbers have meaning, just because they can’t count does not mean I can’t.
I do find this odd. I would never go back to Win10. I find Windows 11 far superior.
This is your sign. I don’t know what kind of help you need, but go get it.
LOL. Operating systems aren’t an ideology, they are a tool.
And some tools are objectively worse than others. Windows 11 loses to Windows 10 in every area except for AI integration (if you can call this a loss), and security updates (which Microsoft arbitrarily stopped to force people to switch).
If Windows 10 is a screwdriver, then Windows 11 is a butter knife glued to a 10 lb weight and a flock camera that Microsoft chained to your hand when they stole your toolbox.
I very much disagree on that, along with millions of others. The only advantage Win10 has over Win11 is familiarity, otherwise known as learning curve. Reliability, snap layouts, widgets, improved file explorer, plus a really awesome phone integration environment. Add on top of that constant updates and upgrades and it isn’t even a close comparison.
Reliability
LOL, no. Win 11 had 3 major update issues this year alone.
snap layouts
99% of people just used left and right, which was already in 10, and you could already access other layouts in 10, there was just a different interface for it.
widgets
You’re fucking joking right? Widgets have been in windows since Vista, and no one liked them back then either.
improved file explorer,
Improved by turning it into an elecron app? Improved by drastically increasing the ram usage and hobbling the search performance? Improved by unpinning it from the taskbar? The new file explorer is fucking garbage, and is easily one of the dumbest and worst things about 11, right behind the new printer management UI.
really awesome phone integration environment.
You are genuinely the first person I’ve heard mention this, and you’ll probably be the last.
Add on top of that constant updates and upgrades and it isn’t even a close comparison.
See issue number 1, also, the updates only ended because Microsoft declined to continue supporting “the last version of Windows”.
You are right that the comparison isn’t even close. 8 and 7 were closer in terms of performance and market adoption that 10 and 11.
Liar.
Deep. At least you spelled it correctly.
You’re just literally the only person I’ve ever heard say this, so I guess I’m skeptical.
I’m not really surprised, Lemmy is a huge hater of Windows. I am running Win11 on three supported systems, and 2 unsupported systems and I haven’t had a bsod since upgrading.
My comment had nothing to do with Lemmy.
I haven’t had a bsod since upgrading.
If this is the thing you think of as a way to talk it up, it’s worse than I thought.
I posted the benefits responding to another user.
Windows just works, the supported hardware base is unparalleled. It’s been running my Plex server for 5+ years without incident. I have yet to find a hardware device that isn’t compatible. It has touchscreen support. I like widgets, and yes I even use copilot from time to time.
It’s has the majority marketshare. If you don’t want to use it, then don’t. But the facts are still the facts.
So widgets, touchscreen and copilot?
Everything else you said arguably applies more to win10.
But the facts are still the facts.
Indeed. That’s why I stay the fuck away.
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I got at least 2 months left of updates, then I’m raw dogging life until i can install linux
Well there is also Legacy Update
ESU has been extended another year, FYI
I never signed up for esu - are the updates available to download without agreeing to the T&C for ESU?
Nevermind I answered my own question. There are access keys required which gatekeep the updates.
Remember the good old days when you got to decide what updates to install and could just head over downloads.microsoft.com and get them? Pepperidge farm remembers…
