Ppl in Asia loughing/crying in 45-50°C
T’was funny to read that the EU’s strict clean air policy also contributed to the current state since there’s less particles in the air blocking or reflecting sunlight away from the ground. I’m sure there’s other factors to it but man nature is complex.
A SMALL price to Pay to have REALLY Expensive Oil!
-World Leaders!
(meanwhile, in North America, Post world cup) How do you like 51C ?
Chat, are we cooked?
40c in Europe is similar to 55c in Middle East.
Yes, we cooking. Thankfully my country only experienced 2 very hot days, but it was unbearable and I genuinely got scared for my heart after I noticed it’s basically rushing at 120 for second day straight (my resting rate is usually 70)
Well more like Sous vide
Edit: I hate when I think I’m being clever only to keep reading and someone else was just as clever but quicker.
Sous Vide for tender meat.
My meat is very tender and blistered after this fourth of July fifteen hour fap session.
Don’t cook for me or cook does did it to be as I do so I bake for you, obviously
Anybody else smell toast?
I are toest
If not for the gulf stream (a constant sea water movement) Europe would be much colder and Northern America much warmer. I wonder if climate warming could potentially stop this gulf stream
The AMOC (Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation) is now creaking under the weight of all that Pacific heat in the ocean. If that goes - which is looking increasingly likely within the next 25-50 years - then sayonara Gulf Stream and Europe can look forward to what’s likely to be extremely sub-zero winter temperatures and soaring summer temperatures.
I’m in the UK and I’ve bought an extra pair of mitts and a hand fan, so I’ll be laughing
Just to be clear a collapsing AMOC is projected to slow the gulf stream but not stop it.
It’s still very very bad though.
What are we talking about when you say extremely sub zero. As in -20c or colder?
I was flabbergasted the first time I realized just how far north Europe is, compared to North America.
Paris is at 48° 51’ N, significantly further north than Toronto (43° N), Montreal (45° N). London is at 51°N 30’, which is further north than Vancouver (49° N), and just slightly further north than Calgary (51°N).
Even southern European cities like Ibiza (39° N) are at comparable latitudes to northern American cities like Philadelphia (40°N) or even New York (41°N).
If Europe starts seeing climate comparable to similar latitudes in North America, that would represent a huge change from the recorded history.
Let’s just put it this way. It is what was thought to have triggered previous ice ages.
Has an ice age ever started during a current ice age before?
There have been many interglacial periods.
We have the same cake day!
Very serious topic about dying earth, climate change, etc
“yo we have the same cake day!”
Idk why, but this made me laugh too much
A little whimsy to make the world more bearable. Idk where I heard the advice, but:
When you walk past a flower, stop and appreciate it. The weight of your worries will wait patiently, so take your time.
Exactly that, yes. We rely on the Gulf Stream for our mild climate so, if that goes, we get the extremes in both summer and winter
-20c is nothing. It’ll be a lot worse than that.
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Europe won’t just be colder, the weather will be more extreme in all directions. Hotter summers and colder winters, with stronger storms due to more extreme temperature variances. It will be a fun time all year round for everyone.
Time to figure out how to put the inside of a building six months away from its outside…
I’m just glad the past few winters were so mild here in romania the past few (5?) years. I dread a really cold winter.
Yes, it will be interesting!
Idk if rhetorical question but there’s evidence (iirc, an atypically cold patch of water off of…Greenland?) that the gulf stream may already be breaking down.
Also crops. Nobody is talking about the crops
You’re talking about the crops, silly, therefore you are wrong
The peasants here are talking about them all the fucking time.
Just move Europe to the west coast of the south pole and it will drag Italy up the scooter hole of Antarctica, and then we will have the power of Star Gate: Atlantis in our own pants
I definitely smell toast. Is somebody making toast!?
I put an hourglass stuck in my ass when the before was it that doesn’t but do it he the way it go now
Yep, and Americans answering with “we’re ok because we have AC” is a Don’t Look Up moment
I sure hope their electricity grid can handle it when everyone turns on the AC and data centers also start pulling extra because it’s so hot.
Even in the U.S., we use a lot more energy heating homes than cooling homes. Around 43% of our total in-home energy usage is on heating, and about 8% is on cooling.
Heat waves don’t cause nearly as big of a strain on our grid as winter storms, because AC doesn’t consume as much energy as even our efficient heat pumps in the winter.
That’s because a heat pump that can lower the temperature by 10°-15°C is really all you need in the hottest part of the summer, whereas in the winter raising the temperature 25°C isn’t uncommon.
At least in my country (Netherlands) the neoliberals have decided every single fucking thing needs to turn a consistent profit and the company who handles the grid is only allowed to upgrade when there is “utility and necessity” which in essence means any time they want to upgrade in anticipation of future demand everyone involved drags their feet.
The result of that policy is that now there is a ridiculous waiting list for commercial grid connections and there are plans to also restrict new high capacity residential connections. For a country that has been run by businessmen for the past 20 years we sure seem to have an awful lack of long-term vision.
Don’t even get me started on the attitude that people here have towards A/C. We don’t live in a country that’s only hot for 1 week a year anymore but lots of ppl just won’t accept that. I guess it’s climate coping/denial combined with wanting to feel superior to Americans.
We will be cooked (literally)
EDIT: I just remembered that yesterday they unexpectedly had to cut power to 10000 homes for 14 minutes and it wasn’t even a hot day.
Business men are myopic and not strategic for 30 years into the future? I am so shocked! 🙀 😲
They optimized their profit, just not yours you gotta understand. I.e the money is not gone it’s just somewhere else.
It’s crazy to me because surely you would be extracting more wealth from working people (and raising the blessed holy statistic known as GDP) with a grid that actually works and can take on new customers. I know they’re evil but I guess they’re also just stupid.
Take my upvote. I too fail to see how “make something work well, get more money” isn’t the obvious default choice for businesses
Because making it work well costs more than making it work barely, and those costs are ultimately profits not being paid to shareholders now.
Those making the decisions get paid their bonuses based on the now, not the maybe, in the future.
It’s really that simple.
Its like they only know the R in ROI. This short term thinking is the main driver of enshittification I think.
Thank you. I still hate they don’t think about anything else at all, but this explains it
Stuff like infrastructure should most of the time not be privatized and remain in state hands.
As a business you just need to outbid your opponent for the electric grid or whatever. Then you do the bare minimum to say you delivered within budget etc. People are sheep and won’t notice until they are sitting in the dark.
The company that had a realistic cost in their offer was probably not picked.
Which means whoever does the picking also doesn’t care about anything further away in time than “project declared done, money has been payed”. Time for me to take a break (been lamenting about these things for too long now)
For a country that has been run by businessmen for the past 20 years we sure seem to have an awful lack of long-term vision.
Well thats why, why would they ? why would voters elect them
Lots of temporarily embarassed millionaires + red scare propaganda still carved into people’s minds
where are these americans saying “we’re ok because we have AC”?
Mostly MAGA looking to literally die on that hill, (or expect thier grandchildren to)
I spent three hours convincing a couple MAGAs on nextdoor that global warming is real and we’ve known for nearly 100 years. Had to go into remedial science mode and explain why greenhouse gasses trap heat in, complete with videos showing CO2 experiments like they do in high school. One guy begrudgingly agreed but the second guy was shook. I think he started coming to terms with the fact he’s blindly believed lies and started questioning other “truths”.
There may be hope, but he might’ve just turned Fox on after and stuck his head back into the sand.
Easier to start with the plain truth, something you can see with your own eyes, and work your way to the subtler arguments.
https://archive.org/details/earth_not_a_globe_review_1893-1897_201804/mode/1up
Changing worldviews is hard.
I was raised on a steady diet of fox news. When I finally became traveled enough to realize it was bullshit, I had to come to dozens of separate now seemingly obvious conclusions before i had a half-decent picture. Even CNN, ABC, CBS have their own stuff to sell. The media is a business, and it sells.
I was raised on Fox as well, was even a founding member of my schools young conservative club. Global warming was actually one of the topics that broke me free of that bullshit mindset. I told a few friends global warming was bullshit and they were like “bro you’re dumb, here’s how we know it’s real.” I understood enough science to get it was happening as well as the implications. That got me questioning everything the news said, which had me coming to those same realizations you did.
I’d love to believe you convinced people on Next Door of anything. I usually only troll there. Place is a cesspool.
That it is. I’ve never actually had much traction getting them to listen, it’s usually just them going silent after providing data/info to back my stance.
It’s been the defining sentiment to the story when discussed in the US. The GOP has taken to the rhetoric of comparing heat deaths in Europe to gun deaths in US, as in Europe is being far more irresponsible not installing AC than US is not controlling guns (their words).
Magaites with ac are in for a treat when winter eventually arrives
This comment makes no sense. Am American am not maga but just FYI a/c also means central heating we have them bundled in 99% of buildings. If you are referring to the Texans who froze to death… They had heat just no electricity to run the heaters due to the transmission lines being down.
Dont worry youll figure it out eventually
All over the frontpage last week. https://lemmy.today/post/55740469
The truth is a lot (probably most) of Americans don’t have AC. It wasn’t really needed in most places until a few years ago. A lot of people rent and a lot of states don’t legally require AC in a rental. Because of that landlords refuse to install AC. If states started requiring it things would look a lot different.
Nearly every state mandates AC. I haven’t seen a home in the US without it in nearly thirty years.
I know the Northwest and Alaska are special but nearly every other home has it - according to the EIA, about 90% of them.
It’s definitely not ok, but when treating the root cause will take decades if not centuries (which we absolutely should still do), perhaps it makes sense to look into treating the symptoms as well
To my knowledge a lot of ACs can’t even operate at those temperatures, or only in a degraded fashion. The optimal maximum outside temperature of mine apparently is 35°C. After that the radiator can’t get rid of the heat fast enough to have the inside unit work at full capacity.
There are genius ways to build homes that get cooled down even without electricity. See the “earthship” design for example, routing fresh air through pipes in the ground where it cools down, going through the home as the hot air gets sucked out by a “thermal chimmey” (literally creates airflow by using the sun). If we combined that with good insulation to avoid the sun heating up walls and windows we’d have liveable temperatures inside even at 50°C outside. But western countries not even remotely progressive enough for such a radical but necessary structural shift, so even right now we keep building houses designed to trap heat.
We’re gonna end up having to go with geothermal heat pumps instead of radiators trying to dump heat in +40C air. this guy modified a window unit and was surprised at how well it did. Results @49 minutes. We should also be tripling our insulation requirements to cover the next 50 to 100 years.
Just realize the hole he dug is probably the bare minimum to handle the heat load from the smallest window AC. It takes a lot of digging to cool a real AC unit. And European homes aren’t known for have large yards.
You can dig straight down, and run the ground loop vertically, but it’s surprisingly expensive to dig the hole. Like 15-40k expensive.
I gotta say I understand the cost. Dig a full size grave by hand some time. It’s freakin exhausting. And sure, an excavator can do it in minutes, but that means you’re paying for time on a very expensive machine.
There’s places with district heating from back in the days that people still invested in new infrastructure. We could do the same with cooling but I’m afraid the neoliberal rot has penetrated too far at this point.
Heating is easier than cooling. For heat you just run a set of lines from the source to the homes, same as plumbing. To dump that heat into the ground, the field you need grows very quickly. A small town would need a large, and probably deep field of pipes. The cost would be huge. Geothermal is great, but digging is hard, so it’s relatively expensive. Every project needs to be individually considered, to determine if it’s really the way to go.
Most of downtown Toronto has been cooled by deep lake water in Lake Ontario since 2004. Cuts electricity use by 75%.
Generic residential units are designed to move heat in the ranges they are operated under. Desert units exist that could work in much hotter conditions. Systems can be made to cool way up past 50°C.
But cooling the inside of a house/car is way different than trying to farm crops/animals in that heat.
Not to mention the care needed in designing and installing such a system so as to not make a mold factory.
Solar panels and air con are a good short-term solution for the symptoms
And by short-term I mean my whole life
That would make the oil lobby sad though
Why? Won’t they just get to sell more fossil fuels to meet the electricity demand while politicians endlessly drag their feet on cheaper, renewable alternatives?
EDIT: Oh you mean treating the root cause, yeah true
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The problem is that treating the root cause is not profitable. So it will never happen. Ever.
That’s not true. There is plenty of profit to be made with selling stuff that helps reduce energy use, selling energy that uses less fossil fuel (or produces less CO2), undercutting competition with more efficient methods, etc.
The tech world talks a big game about disruption and making billions or even trillions from it. You don’t think there are people who want to make trillions disrupting fossil energy companies?
There is no treatment for the root cause, lol either we continue to pump co2 into the atmosphere or we stop. Either way, temperature increase is locked in for roughly a century at this point. We lost the fight for a livable planet. The human extinction event continues
It was so hot last week, I had to move my fucking pepper pants inside.
losing a chunk of the growing season is going to go poorly in the near term
That’s some spicy legwear!
For hot nights!
Anyone who says that doesnt understand our government hasnt modernized our electric grids at all. They cannot handle these ac demands and the ai datacenters they’re forcing down everyones throats.
Not this american. Ive been screaming my head off about how the machery our society runs on is all designed to run in a specific temperature range, and we are nearing the upper edge of that range now.
Most residential air conditioners can only manage a split of 30°F. That means if its 110 outside, your AC will struggle to keep the inside temp colder than 80°F. Sure, there are solutions for this. But they arent being implemented becsuse that is a problem for next quarter.
yeah, its the new form of climate denial
The new climate denial? Using wealth to insulate yourself from discomfort and change
The only ones saying that are the ones thinking beach weather in the Chicago winter will somehow be a good thing.
They’re idiots.
No idea why that’s such a hot take by them. So many people have AC here. Houses, establishments, public areas, and increasing for obvious reasons.
AC here are nearly always split units though. Our windows don’t slide up, so harder to install that type of AC unit that sits on the sill.
The reason that “it’s ok we have AC” is a dumbass small brain take is that the “it” that is allegedly ok in this scenario is global warming. AC won’t save most of the planet from the consequences of our choices and actions.
Still though.
In europe we average out somwhere between 3 to 4000kwh per year for a household, where in the US it’s 10k upwards, which looks like a dramatic difference.
But we haven’t really looped in the fact that in Europe we mainly rely on natural gas solutions for climate control/heating, hot water and cooking.
Ofcouse they also use gas in the US, and invariably the fact that we don’t really cool our houses in the summer still works out to a lower usage overall i’m sure, but as we also shift to heat pumps I’m sure this’ll change.
Most people don’t cool their house because they can’t, not because of some principle against it. When people start replacing their gas heaters with heatpumps they can, and i’m sure they will.
We also can’t ignore we don’t really have those Arizona climates here. Americans that complain about any lack of AC also forget that.
I think for the future we need to get green energy for very cheap here in Germany and Europe. Everything should be electric including mobility, cooling, heating etc.
The future is not looking bright right now with the governments we have but I think technology wise that’s the future.
If I didn’t have AC, my very old asbestos ridden apartment would be over 110° farenheit. That’s 43° Celsius. I guess Europeans don’t give a shit about the giant corporations though. They just expect us and our pets to die.
Weird strawman here. No one’s saying to not use AC, it’s just not the solution to the actual problem and we shouldn’t pretend that it is because it’s convenient and “good enough” for now.
It’s not a straw man as an American who voted for Harris. I hate trump just as much as the rest of world does. The hate all Americans shit is mostly why I decided to humanize myself. We’re not all fucking maga nazis
Happy for you, I guess. Maybe next time you’ll bring an actual argument to the discussion :)
You know what extreme heat can also cause? Blackouts.
And it happens all of the time because of the increased load on the grid from everyone cranking their AC.
Your AC is useless without power.
My house is fully off grid with a 36kW solar system and 86kWh battery setup. There are times where I can get down to the wire but ultimately that’s when it’s a prolonged rain /storm scenario.
The hotter it is the more likely the sun is shining, so I have zero concerns about a blackout situation. Realize this isn’t viable for most people but I sure am glad I took the plunge.
AC here are nearly always split units though. Our windows don’t slide up, so harder to install that type of AC unit that sits on the sill.
I have windows that slide sideways, and an AC unit with two pipes (intake and exhaust) that go through a piece of plastic sitting in the window’s rail.
It’s terrible. Super loud, and the room gets hot again in a couple minutes after I turn it off.
Split units are almost always illegal to install because of local urbanism laws, or apartment lot rules.
Yes, this, fucking this. I do have a monoblock device because I’m not allowed anything else (Germany, apartment). I’m literally designing and printing stuff to mod it to dual-pipe (because for whatever reason the free market won’t even give us THAT) and also to route the cold air directly into another room so my ears won’t fall off. Of course the moment it’s off everything’s fucking warm again… and since the only room it can be in is by BEDROOM to cool down my living room for the day I have to get up at least at 8 AM even on weekends when it’s warm to open the window (directly to a loud street) to start the thing (65db baby, let’s go!).
I’m fucking pissed about all of this. But heeey, at least the building traps heat perfectly during winter, right? Just cooks everyone in the summer. But that’s “beautiful sun”, so I guess it must be good. Argh. 💀
And guess what… no sliding windows. In fact I have no normal windows even, just window doors. Those fucking taped on textile “air stops” will always detach eventually because of the underpressure the AC creates.
Subsidize heatpumps!
Don’t forget that’s also what richer asian countries think(China, Japan, Singapore, Malaysia)
America is the world’s bad guy, I agree, but not all fucking Americans voted for this fucking shit
An overwhelming majority either voted for climate change or didn’t vote.
If I didn’t have AC, my very old asbestos ridden apartment would be over 110° farenheit. That’s 43° Celsius. I guess Europeans don’t give a shit about the giant corporations though. They just expect us and our pets to die.
Uhm, ok. No one is saying that AC is useless. Just that it’s not a solution to our planet boiling.
I guess Europeans don’t give a shit about the giant corporations though. They just expect us and our pets to die.
Bro what
I agree it’s not a solution but a shitty band aid. Still, fighting with each other just let’s the nazi billionaires rob everyone on earth blind and they are causing so much more warming than regular citizens
Yeah blame all Americans and not the giant fucking corporations accelerating this shit ten million times more than the regular American
That is not at all what they’re implying with this
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floquant @lemmy.dbzer0.com Yep, and Americans answering with “we’re ok because we have AC” is a Don’t Look Up moment
Did you see the movie? I get a feeling that you haven’t.
I have and the movie is apt except I don’t remember a bunch of people lumping Harris voters in with literal Nazis just because we’re all in the United States. Which part of the movie was that again?
I’m done trying to convince you that no one is saying that and you’re just looking for an excuse to be offended bud. Bye
Ha ha ha go take your billionaire brainwashing hate all Americans bullshit with you on the way out stormtrooper
matthurtme directing the conversation towards blame is in and of itself a Don’t Look Up moment lol
No I’m just sick of the hate all Americans shit when we’re fighting for our lives against a fascist Nazi government that is brainwashing people to fight each other instead of the fucking president of don’t look up but as a male
You say that as though corporations are fucking everything up for their own amusement, rather than in the service of making sure the “regular American” gets their luxuries for cheap.
Which luxuries? I agree that America is one of the biggest baddies when it comes to overconsumption, but fighting with each other just let’s the nazi billionaires rob us all blind
Who is fighting each other? No one’s saying that climate change is the fault of American citizens using AC. Just that “Oh it’s 45°C outside, guess I’ll pump up the conditioning and stop thinking about it” is not the way forward
floquant @lemmy.dbzer0.com Yep, and Americans answering with “we’re ok because we have AC” is a Don’t Look Up moment
What is? Please enlighten me. What is the solution when I’m baking in my apartment? Die?
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Thought so
I’d fuck the planet but then I’ve be a terraphile, and you know what they do to those in prison.
Is that just necrophilia with “more time?”
No, I am very into, not just necrophilia, but incestuous necrophilia, so I know my shit, dammit. That’s why my sister’s remaining rottorancing chunks do doth spurn my loins into the greater stratosphere of what will be in the pale moonlight of dark charades of nearer than farther futures. But enough about that, I’m a Mormon Occultist, would you like to learn about Jesus Christ, Joseph Smith, and myself, Victorious Phoenix?
Sir this is a Wendy’s!
Bitch I will eat Wendy’s ass for a bag of coffee. Just point me in a direction
Avoid them?
Bro I have to go for jacking off in my window when I was fourteen and for being Epstein’s boss. Those are the two things I know they can prove, at least. Shit sucks, bro. Just the way the cookie crumbles. Also, I’m Q. That’s how this all works and I become the 48th n 50th president.
This is good news, it shows the laws of nature do apply to humans and scientists like James Hansen etal were right and Physics as we know it applies
but we’ve chosen to ignore it and it’ll get worse and perhaps this answers Fermi’s Paradox?
Humanity is the problem (for most humans and for most species) , climate change is the solution, we’re literally killing species off so fast it’s labeled the sixth mass extinction.
*et al
Self extinction has always been my solution for the Fermi paradox
If climate is effecting white nations, maybe institutions will have to actually start acting like they care.
But somehow I don’t think America really cares about Europe either, even if they are largely white.
Effecting and affecting are not the same word. What you wrote - effecting white nations - means to enable those nations, which is probably the opposite of what you intended.
Well at least you know I’m not AI.
It won’t take alien invasions, it won’t take world wars using nukes. It will simply be humans living day to day, consuming and altering everything they cross paths with.
Yep it’s gonna be us destroying ourselves
“If?”
I wonder what made 2010 zero out of
“We conclude that most climate models mix heat too efficiently into the deep ocean and as a result underestimate the negative forcing by human-made aerosols. Aerosol climate forcing today is inferred to be −1.6 ± 0.3 W m−2, implying substantial aerosol indirect climate forcing via cloud changes. Continued failure to quantify the specific origins of this large forcing is untenable, as knowledge of changing aerosol effects is needed to understand future climate change. We conclude that recent slowdown of ocean heat uptake was caused by a delayed rebound effect from Mount Pinatubo aerosols and a deep prolonged solar minimum”
https://acp.copernicus.org/articles/11/13421/2011/
One explanation for it at least
Probably lack of data
Oklahoma aboutta break a lot of records soon (~2 weeks).
As an Australian, I am shitfucked…
Time to build a robot to look after the dog when I’m gone…
The best time to start building your own Thunderdome was 20 years ago. The second best time is now.
Let me put it this way:
My grandparents built a brick house in the early 1950’s in northern Germany. My parents built on that foundation and doubled the size in the late 1980’s. Air conditioning was not a thing back then. You just didn’t need it at all.
For decades this house has kept a relatively cool 24-25°C (~75°F) during peak summer months. Just due to the way it was built.
That hasn’t been true for the past ~10 years anymore.
And it’s the same with almost all German infrastructure. Our traditional ways of building things are not fit for the frequent high heatwaves we’ve been experiencing this last decade. Even hospitals are generally not AC’d except for maybe ER and operating rooms. It’s fucking miserable
But at least now we are doing every thing possible to combat climate change, right?
Sure.
No 🥰
nobody remembers the massive heatwaves australia had to deal with last year?
We’ll forget about Europe next year when Egypt is covered in snow in July
