Tesla needs to be a co-defendent in this case.
I have cruise control in my car, and not the smart cruise control that slows you down if some arsehole pulls out right in front of you. I rented a Toyota Camry for a month that did that. While mine was in the shop. It could also change lanes without you touching the steering wheel. It wasn’t FSD, but it could take turns for you. I feel the tech was there, but it wasn’t enabled, but it could do it in short bursts. Anyway, MY car doesn’t have the adaptive cruise control, just the regular.
My point is, if I’m cruising at 40 and the speed limit drops to 20kph and I get a speeding ticket for not reducing speed, I can’t say “well I had cruise on.” Sure, but it’s up to you to reduce the speed. FSD doesn’t absolve you of liability, it’s still your car and your responsibility. Not sure how people don’t get that. I mean, fuck the elongated muskrat and fuck the regime he’s propping up, but let’s not go crazy and act like Teslas and other EVs aren’t a net positive for the environment. Sure, they have their flaws, but making them out to be murder machines is straight-up false. If you don’t want that much tech in your car (I don’t — I just want my music and Maps, so I use an aftermarket CarPlay from China and pair to that), don’t buy a Tesla. Pretty simple. I kinda want a Tesla though. But I’d rather have a BYD. They’re more cost efficient, I think. And I’d rather not support the fascist muskrat.
Sure, but if they say you have to be in control at all times to pass blame then they need to call it driver assist or something other than “full self driving”.
Okay, so the name sucks, but if my kid breaks her laptop, I still gotta pay it. I didn’t break it. The kid broke it. But it’s still my responsibility.
I don’t have a kid. If I did, I’d hope I had a kid who wouldn’t break nice things. But, let’s be real. Kids and cats break nice things. I also don’t have a Tesla. But if you own something (or you have a pet or a child) you are still responsible for what they do.
It’s going to be interesting if we ever get those cars that go out on our behalf and do ride sharing gigs while we’re at work, earning back the money they spend keeping themselves charged. I wanna say one of the EV makers floated that idea. It never happened. But if it did, while you’re at work your car does damage. Who are they going to blame? Maybe you have insurance that covers it. But you’d still be responsible.
yeah if its named absolutely no liabilty to you we will take all the blame because we guarantee our car has full self driving capability. well thats just a name. it does not mean anything.
This argument is just bonkers. Are you conflating a child and a corporations claim for a car to be fully self driving? These aren’t even comparable things.
From the beginning, investigators have focused on how Butler was using Tesla’s system. Butler told officials and paramedics that he was working as a DoorDash driver and that the car was in FSD mode before he “passed out” while changing music on the car’s touchscreen, according to the affidavit. The affidavit said tests found no alcohol or drugs in his system.
The affidavit says Butler manually pressed the accelerator pedal several times in the neighborhood where the crash occurred, “overriding the default FSD speed.” At one point, the car reached 73 miles per hour on the residential street – more than twice the posted limit. The affidavit also notes there was no brake pedal input recorded in the final minute before the crash.
Tesla executives publicly disputed Butler’s version of events. On social media, they said the driver pressed the accelerator pedal down and kept it pressed even after the crash. The company says FSD doesn’t make its cars self-driving and that drivers still have to stay alert and be ready to step in.
So… A few things.
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He passed out while changing music?
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He did not attempt to brake at all and kept pressing the accelerator after the crash.
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So he still was passed out after crashing into a house at 70+ mph?
That’s what he’s saying happened, according to his affidavit, and the data from the vehicle. So the exact same thing would have happened in any other vehicle as well, FSD had little impact on the crash. He passed out pressing the accelerator pedal and crashed into a hosw when the road ended. So maybe without FSD it wouldn’t have driven as straight, instead veering off to the side of the road, still at 70+ mph. Keeping in mind that manually steering the wheel with a modicum of force disengages FSD, so there was little to no force on the wheel.
The company says FSD doesn’t make its cars self-driving
Oh. Really? What’s the meaning of this abbr. again?
They really should be held legally accountable for using a name that doesn’t mean what the words mean, especially due to the danger it results in.
Of course. I mean, what if black paint doesn’t paint things black? Or what’s with salt that doesn’t make things salty? If a builder cannot build things and a cleaner cannot clean anything?
They are all worthless.
Fully Self Driving 👍
Wrong, it’s Fuck Some Dwellings
So, first you need to be full, and then you let it drive…?
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Inflammable means flammable? What a country!
Fucking Stupid Dummy
The foot on the accelerator after the crash doesn’t make sense. He would have been thrown around like crazy. I think this points to sensor malfunction or something like that.
I was in an accident, knew it was going to happen, and braced myself. When it was all over, there was a loud noise, and I realized my foot was braced on the accelerator. Since the car had started to roll when I braced myself, this had little bearing on the accident. Also, this driver wasn’t in a state where he was bracing for an accident, but he may have jammed his foot on the pedal when he woke up.
Accelerator / brake pedals have multiple redundant calculations that all happen to combat people saying its a sensor issue, or at least in cars that log that kinda thing, which a Tesla does.
Its such a common accusation that is almost never true, so they’ve done things like that to protect against it.
It could have been some other object. It’s possible that his foot or leg did land on the accelerator in the crash too.
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So as expected, and as has been the case with almost every case where someone blames FSD or Autopilot, the guy has just been lying through his teeth.
It’s like the people who go and scratch up teslas without realising that they’re on camera. Everything these cars do is logged in a black box type manner. You will not win in court by attempting to say it did something it didn’t.
If they were telling the truth, it almost sounds like a seizure.
Yep, sounds like it - in which case the car did nothing wrong, and it would have happened no matter what car he was driving.
Not even a black box really, it is stored in the Tesla cloud.
Yeh I was talking about the manner in which everything is recorded :)
The article makes it clear that the car was not in FSD mode
? The article makes it clear the car was in FSD mode, but he passed out and was pressing the accelerator pedal
if he hadn’t been in FSD mode and passed out and jammed on the accelerator for 2 minutes, would the crash have been avoided? if not, what is the relevance of it being in FSD before the driver overrode it? Seems like the title framing disingenuously suggests it was a factor in the accident, while the content of the article makes perfectly clear that it was not.
He also Google searched how to make the fsd more aggressive. All we can do is keep speculating in this thread.
He also Google searched how to make the fsd more aggressive.
I don’t have any experience with FSD specifically, but I used to have a Model 3 with Enhanced Autopilot before I traded in that Nazimobile.
In traffic, Autopilot would definitely leave more space and act “safer” than most other drivers on the road around me. Regularly resulting in people cutting me off, squeezing into spaces they shouldn’t be, etc.
Trying to figure out how to make the car act more like the other traffic is something nearly every Tesla driver has looked into at some point.
FSD has modes you can set. Slow, chill, hurry, and manic, or something like that. You can also tune what each one does, like 5 under limit for chill, five over for manic, etc. Along with all the auto cruise distance etc. settings.
Pressing the accelerator takes you out of FSD mode.
No, pressing the brake does. The accelerator overrides the speed that the software has chosen but only for the duration the accelerator is pressed. FSD is still engaged.
You can’t say FSD is active when you’re literally controlling the accelerator by pressing it to the floor.
What the fuck?
I don’t think this is true, resources suggest you only override the speed of the FSD
This is true, friend has one. Just like regular cruise control, you can goose it and it returns to self driving. Not for long though I think, then it shuts off.
The other thing not mentioned are the interior cameras, Teslas have interior cameras too so they have him recorded doing whatever he was doing.
I want to believe you, because that’s the sensible way of handling user input. But here’s a forbes article about another incident:
There are four ways to disengage FSD – pressing the accelerator is not one:
- Press the brake pedal.
- If equipped, move the gear stalk upward.
- If equipped, press the right scroll wheel on the steering wheel.
- Take over (grab and jerk) the steering wheel and steer manually.
That’s what I said? The accelerator does not disable self drive, and it’s not in the list.
Oh then I misinterpreted this line to mean the opposite, my bad!
Not for long though I think, then it shuts off.
It’s not full self driving if you’re pressing the accelerator to the floor.
It’s not full self driving to begin with. Never was.
It is, you just have to supervise it.
Then that’s not full self driving. If you can’t fall asleep in the back seat, it’s not full self driving.
That’s your opinion, not a truth
well advance the counterpoint, then. here, i’ll get you started, “the car is still in full control when the driver overrides the speed of the vehicle. speed control is not a factor in driving”
What are you even arguing, FSD is a programmed feature in their cars and according to the black box of the car it was turned on at the time of the accident. Period. Read the article.
What your* opinion on what actually constitutes full self driving is completely irrelevant here.
? The article makes it clear the car was in FSD mode, but he [(alledgedly) passed out and] was pressing the accelerator pedal
