Wait shit I think we talked past each other a bit, my b, I’m saying that every IOF member and the grand majority of the Israeli population are not and should not be called victims

Obviously, when the alternative to murder children is to either go to jail, or simply to go back home to your own country, those who choose to murder children anyways bears the full responsibility for the murders. Nobody is press ganged into the IOF at gunpoint.

So we agree IOF personnel are responsible for the genocide they are committing.

acknowledging that most of the preparators are not having a good time, exactly because that kind of responsibility is devastating to most human beings

Yea, because mass murder is toxic to ones humanity/psyche/soul/essence. The einsatzgruppen falling apart mentally was a major contributing factor to the use of gas chambers. Those guys had issues with alcohol and amphetamines, should I feel sorry for those “victims” too?

I know being raised in a fascist society fucks with one’s entire being, I’m willing to call children victims, but when an 18 year old shoots a child in the head for being born in the wrong place I refuse to call that murderer and those who support them a victim. There’s a certain point where you have to make a choice for yourself, and yea being force-fed propaganda since birth puts you at a disadvantage, but if you are unable or unwilling to see your fellow human beings as human beings I can’t call you a victim.

Little Joe born and raised in Israel is a victim of a fascist regime and I feel sorry for that kid, but Adult Joe kills an unarmed civilian for crossing an invisible line while trying to get food for his starving family. Adult Joe is not a victim and should be put down like the rabid dog he is

I’m aware of the amount of propaganda, I live in the imperial core, it’s the air I breath and the water I drink. People, even in a state such as Israel, still have a choice. Those who are imprisoned for refusing to participate in genocide are victims of the regime, those who join in are at the very least collaborators if not outright supporter and participants.

Next you’ll say American murderers in Vietnam were victims because of the draft

That makes it worse, they don’t even believe in their genocidal project and they still participate? I don’t give a fuck why someone is willing to help murder children, they choose to do so, they continue to choose to do so every day thereafter, they could stop murdering children at any time. Boo fucking hoo, every member of the IOF should clean their ears with a 9mm qtip, it’s better than they deserve. And that goes for American troops too.

If some random swiftie could choose jail time over murdering people than anyone can. I have no sympathy for so-called victims that feel bad because they “have to” participate in one of the worst crimes of the 21st century. I feel for the actual victims, the people who have had entire families wiped out by Israeli bombs, who have been shot by Israeli snipers, who have been starved by the Israeli blockade. Those people are the victims.

The Israeli Zionists are the perpetrators of genocide and every member of the IOF is there by choice.

Naw choosing to serve the genocidal regime makes you complicite in their crimes. Oh no refusing service means the other fascist freaks won’t like you? Good.

Everyone has a choice. They could either participate in genocide, in which case I have no sympathy and they can rot for all I care, or they can take a stance like many people have before and refuse to participate in wholesale murder. People who are jailed for refusing to serve are more victims than any stooge serving a genocidal state.

The same thing happened to the Nazi einsatzgruppen during the opening stages of their genocide(s). Even with a lifetime of propaganda conditioning one to see the enemy as subhuman untermensch terrorists the average human psyche cannot cope with the reality of committing mass murder. It’s one of the reasons why the nazis sought a “Final Solution”, they were unable to kill as many people as they wanted and their death squads were falling apart due to drug abuse and psychological trauma, so they wanted a method of mass murder that gave more distance to the act of killing. Gas chambers provided that