Drug misuse has surged across Israel as years of war, violence and instability push more people towards addiction
  • TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.todayEnglish
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    4 days ago

    Mdma seems like a weird choice? Like, I get taking a stimulant, but I don’t think I would really want the serotonin dump. Having heightened levels of emotions and empathy would not be my go to when hunting literal children.

    • Grass@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      51·
      4 days ago

      9999 x 0 = 0

      Even if they try they have no empathy or emotions associated with anything good.

    • da_cow (she/her)@feddit.orgEnglish
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      4 days ago

      MDMA is also something you can not really take on a very regular basis. Kinda pointless to take it every other week or even more often.

    • Tiresia@slrpnk.netEnglish
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      4 days ago

      Maybe numb empathy has become their default so they use MDMA to feel normal when they’re off duty?

      Most massacres and genocides in human history were done sober by a large fraction of the population. It seems like people are simply inherently capable of murdering children and being numb to the experience. I don’t know how easy it is to switch that on or off.

  • FALGSConaut [comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
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    4 days ago

    The same thing happened to the Nazi einsatzgruppen during the opening stages of their genocide(s). Even with a lifetime of propaganda conditioning one to see the enemy as subhuman untermensch terrorists the average human psyche cannot cope with the reality of committing mass murder. It’s one of the reasons why the nazis sought a “Final Solution”, they were unable to kill as many people as they wanted and their death squads were falling apart due to drug abuse and psychological trauma, so they wanted a method of mass murder that gave more distance to the act of killing. Gas chambers provided that

  • Wildmimic@anarchist.nexusEnglish
    255·
    5 days ago

    Just as i said years ago (and was downvoted to hell): the israeli population is also a victim of the zionists. No one with a functioning set of morals can cope with this regime without escapism or suicide.

    • NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io
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      5 days ago

      the israeli population is also a victim of the zionists.

      The imperial boomerang works in mysterious ways, but still, “victims” is a strong word. They by and large back the choices of their political leaders.

      • Salah [ey/em]@hexbear.netEnglish
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        5 days ago

        People can be victims of their own actions. Obviously the population of the entity should not be anyone’s first consideration when thinking about the damages of Zionism, but it’s important to acknowledge that a fascist society is bad for almost everyone involved.

      • Wildmimic@anarchist.nexusEnglish
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        5 days ago

        If whatever someone experienced pushed them to hard drugs, and that experience has been forced upon them because their society has been militarized further than any other society, i’d count that being a victim - it’s not like as they had much choice here when taking into account how much you are ostracized when refusing to serve.

        • FALGSConaut [comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
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          4 days ago

          Naw choosing to serve the genocidal regime makes you complicite in their crimes. Oh no refusing service means the other fascist freaks won’t like you? Good.

          Everyone has a choice. They could either participate in genocide, in which case I have no sympathy and they can rot for all I care, or they can take a stance like many people have before and refuse to participate in wholesale murder. People who are jailed for refusing to serve are more victims than any stooge serving a genocidal state.

          • SoyViking [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
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            4 days ago

            Obviously, when the alternative to murder children is to either go to jail, or simply to go back home to your own country, those who choose to murder children anyways bears the full responsibility for the murders. Nobody is press ganged into the IOF at gunpoint. I think you can maintain this while also acknowledging that most of the preparators are not having a good time, exactly because that kind of responsibility is devastating to most human beings and understand how and why so few of the settlers are choosing to do the right thing. You can also realise that fascist societies like the zionist one is doing fucked up and abusive things to its own children by indoctrinating them into its racist ideology without absolving those children of guilt when they grow up and become murderers themselves.

            • FALGSConaut [comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
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              4 days ago

              Obviously, when the alternative to murder children is to either go to jail, or simply to go back home to your own country, those who choose to murder children anyways bears the full responsibility for the murders. Nobody is press ganged into the IOF at gunpoint.

              So we agree IOF personnel are responsible for the genocide they are committing.

              acknowledging that most of the preparators are not having a good time, exactly because that kind of responsibility is devastating to most human beings

              Yea, because mass murder is toxic to ones humanity/psyche/soul/essence. The einsatzgruppen falling apart mentally was a major contributing factor to the use of gas chambers. Those guys had issues with alcohol and amphetamines, should I feel sorry for those “victims” too?

              I know being raised in a fascist society fucks with one’s entire being, I’m willing to call children victims, but when an 18 year old shoots a child in the head for being born in the wrong place I refuse to call that murderer and those who support them a victim. There’s a certain point where you have to make a choice for yourself, and yea being force-fed propaganda since birth puts you at a disadvantage, but if you are unable or unwilling to see your fellow human beings as human beings I can’t call you a victim.

              Little Joe born and raised in Israel is a victim of a fascist regime and I feel sorry for that kid, but Adult Joe kills an unarmed civilian for crossing an invisible line while trying to get food for his starving family. Adult Joe is not a victim and should be put down like the rabid dog he is

              • SoyViking [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
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                4 days ago

                We absolutely agree on the culpability of the IOF stormtroopers. They were not forced, they chose this.

                Assigning blame does not preclude understanding the inner workings and tensions of Zionist society. You should know your enemy after all. You can call them victims if you want but I don’t think doing so makes sense in anything but the most relativistic understanding of the term and it has very limited utility. Maybe you could make the case that the general settler population are being relatively victimised by the hardcore Zionist leaders and maybe that claim might have some specific utility for propaganda purposes by increasing internal tensions among Zionists.

                But outside of that I don’t think calling for sympathy for settlers helps to understand the situation or to agitate for the resistance. Sympathy for settlers should be reserved for the vanishingly few of them who refuse to to take part in the genocide.

                • FALGSConaut [comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
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                  4 days ago

                  Wait shit I think we talked past each other a bit, my b, I’m saying that every IOF member and the grand majority of the Israeli population are not and should not be called victims

          • Wildmimic@anarchist.nexusEnglish
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            4 days ago

            I agree that social pressure does not absolve you of whatever war crimes you have committed.

            But everyone who has a humanistic view has to acknowledge that social pressure can push people who might have never wanted to be associated with the bizarre fuckup that the IDF is into their claws, and those people, primed by propaganda and social pressure, might be experiencing shit they are

            a) not approving of, because they have a normal moral compass like most people and b) will haunt them for the rest of their days.

            Those people are victims. There is no way you can change their description where they stop being victims.

            They never really believed in the genocide, they never really even believed into the military. They were pushed by a uncaring machine into a system where people were reduced to inhuman targets.

            The Zionists among them will not show those issues.

            The common people who cannot cope with the Zionist shit are those seeking escapism in hard drugs (or those who are simply shooting a bullet up their brains because they can’t cope with the trauma).

            This statistic shows that many of the soldiers deployed aren’t hardcore zionists. They are common people, and they cant cope with the shit the zionists are pushing.

            • FALGSConaut [comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
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              4 days ago

              That makes it worse, they don’t even believe in their genocidal project and they still participate? I don’t give a fuck why someone is willing to help murder children, they choose to do so, they continue to choose to do so every day thereafter, they could stop murdering children at any time. Boo fucking hoo, every member of the IOF should clean their ears with a 9mm qtip, it’s better than they deserve. And that goes for American troops too.

              If some random swiftie could choose jail time over murdering people than anyone can. I have no sympathy for so-called victims that feel bad because they “have to” participate in one of the worst crimes of the 21st century. I feel for the actual victims, the people who have had entire families wiped out by Israeli bombs, who have been shot by Israeli snipers, who have been starved by the Israeli blockade. Those people are the victims.

              The Israeli Zionists are the perpetrators of genocide and every member of the IOF is there by choice.

    • ChicoSuave@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      5 days ago

      The same thing will happen across across America, starting with the economically depressed regions.

      • Wildmimic@anarchist.nexusEnglish
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        5 days ago

        The scale will probably be a lot smaller. Israel is such a thoroughly militarized society that you really can’t escape if you are anchored in that society. The US is a lot more individualistic. Of course, people which experience shit pushed on them by the military in the US will be traumatized and will either get therapy (unlikely because expensive) or abuse hard drugs, which will increase the average numbers.

  • stink@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
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    5 days ago

    Inshallah one trillion pounds of fentanyl hit the streets of tel aviv