I’m confused as to which parts of the left it’s supposed to split. The communists and the democratic socialists? The anarchists and the worker democracy folks? The DSA from independents like Sanders?
I feel like the message of the post is more so about uniting as the left flank against pro-corporate politicians like most of the democrats and republicans.
The goal of the post is to pit the far left against he moderate left so that either one side stays home, or the other side votes with the right.
This is fucking stupid. Eliminating MAGA has to be job #1, nothing else happens until that does. MAGA needs to lose in 2028 by margins unheard of in modern elections. like 75-80% margins. Failing that, they’ll just come back with more dirty tricks…
I practice the “Vote left in EVERY election” I will always vote for the furthest left candidate no matter what. In the primary, this means voting for the DemSoc or the very liberal… But in the General it sometimes mean voting for the moderate just base don them not being MAGA…
The “far left” principles align with most normal people. When was the last time Hakeem Jeffries and Chuck Schumer represented your interests.
So, OPs post isn’t trying to split the party… The actions of corporate dems ARE splitting the party. Just look at “left leaning” media coverage on Mandami, El-Sayed and Angie Nixon. They are spouting the same things you are hearing on Fox News… Yet, let’s blame OP for the “split” and not the people in charge whose fault it is. I think they call that Stockholm Syndrome.
You people always talk like the Dems are a mono-party that votes in lockstep like the Republicans when they’re the big tent party consisting of everyone from MAGA adjacent to as close to socialist as the US can get, and it’s really transparent what you’re trying to do. If both sides were the same and voting didn’t matter republicans wouldn’t be trying so hard to prevent people from voting but y’all are too fuckin oblivious to see how obvious that is.
Except that “normal people” aren’t the ones voting.
America is a center-left country… Like it or not, the far-left policies don’t resonate with more than half of the idiots in this country… I agree with you. Thinking people embrace them…but accusing Americans of being “Thinking people” is kind of a laugh…
So vote as far left as you can in every election. That’s how you drag the country to the left. It’s not going to be an overnight fix, it’s taken 250 years to get this fucked up, it’s going to take at least 2-3 generations of hard work to get it back.
But we START be eliminating MAGA from the american consciousness, and the only way we do that is by defeating them so soundly the money dries up because corporate america views them as a lost cause. That is a vital first step and nothing else works until they’re gone.
you either don’t believe that the liberal democratic “left” constantly attacks the real left because it endangers the status quo, or you think the real left should ignore it and still team up with them even as they do everything to weaken them.
if the first is the case, i believe you should do more research and i can post some links.
if the second, i think that’s a dumb strategy and never really worked. it’s well known that liberals always team up with the fascists in the end to protect the status quo.
The second is literally the only way party reform has occurred historically. If you think change can happen another way you’re delusional. You’re literally declaring that it has to be full tilt republican fascism or actual revolution because both of those are infinitely more likely than a third party ever having power. So are you just an accelerationist? You working for republicans? Are you even American? You a tankie? What’s your goal here, because stopping the rise of fascism sure doesn’t seem to rate for you.
Oh I fully believe it’s happening, but I think it’s a problem that is amplified by the right to suppress liberal turnout…and it works. Look at 2024. It fucking worked.
And it’s going to happen again in 2028 if we don’t knock it the fuck off.
Step 1 has to be the elimination of MAGA…
Step 2 through 10 involve actually fixing the system. But none of it will happen if step 1 isn’t completed FIRST.
I just don’t feel confident that it was the propaganda of the right suppressing liberal interest, and not the authentic apathy of people not finding democracy in the democratic party.
Step 1 has to be the elimination of MAGA…
I also don’t feel confident the current for of the democratic party is equipped for this, and I think not pushing them to do better is how we went from Biden to Trump 2.
30% of the voters are far-right… That’s pretty much established. 30% are far-left. Like it or not, the middle 40% are the ones who actually make the decisions, and I think those are the ones they’re trying to appeal to… Almost every election moves based on the people who are willing to look at both sides and make a decision.
I always assume a politician’s message is going to change depending on what news channel they’re on, because they’re talking to a different group of people. You get on Fox news talking to fox-news-troglodytes and start spouting DSA rhetoric you’re going to get ignored, and it’s a waste of time.
Posts like this are designed to split the left so that the right can keep power.
I’m confused as to which parts of the left it’s supposed to split. The communists and the democratic socialists? The anarchists and the worker democracy folks? The DSA from independents like Sanders?
I feel like the message of the post is more so about uniting as the left flank against pro-corporate politicians like most of the democrats and republicans.
The goal of the post is to pit the far left against he moderate left so that either one side stays home, or the other side votes with the right.
This is fucking stupid. Eliminating MAGA has to be job #1, nothing else happens until that does. MAGA needs to lose in 2028 by margins unheard of in modern elections. like 75-80% margins. Failing that, they’ll just come back with more dirty tricks…
I practice the “Vote left in EVERY election” I will always vote for the furthest left candidate no matter what. In the primary, this means voting for the DemSoc or the very liberal… But in the General it sometimes mean voting for the moderate just base don them not being MAGA…
This is the ONLY way we get control back.
The “far left” principles align with most normal people. When was the last time Hakeem Jeffries and Chuck Schumer represented your interests.
So, OPs post isn’t trying to split the party… The actions of corporate dems ARE splitting the party. Just look at “left leaning” media coverage on Mandami, El-Sayed and Angie Nixon. They are spouting the same things you are hearing on Fox News… Yet, let’s blame OP for the “split” and not the people in charge whose fault it is. I think they call that Stockholm Syndrome.
You people always talk like the Dems are a mono-party that votes in lockstep like the Republicans when they’re the big tent party consisting of everyone from MAGA adjacent to as close to socialist as the US can get, and it’s really transparent what you’re trying to do. If both sides were the same and voting didn’t matter republicans wouldn’t be trying so hard to prevent people from voting but y’all are too fuckin oblivious to see how obvious that is.
Except that “normal people” aren’t the ones voting.
America is a center-left country… Like it or not, the far-left policies don’t resonate with more than half of the idiots in this country… I agree with you. Thinking people embrace them…but accusing Americans of being “Thinking people” is kind of a laugh…
So vote as far left as you can in every election. That’s how you drag the country to the left. It’s not going to be an overnight fix, it’s taken 250 years to get this fucked up, it’s going to take at least 2-3 generations of hard work to get it back.
But we START be eliminating MAGA from the american consciousness, and the only way we do that is by defeating them so soundly the money dries up because corporate america views them as a lost cause. That is a vital first step and nothing else works until they’re gone.
They are down voting you for speaking the truth
I’m used to it. Being the voice of reason is tiresome sometimes…
you either don’t believe that the liberal democratic “left” constantly attacks the real left because it endangers the status quo, or you think the real left should ignore it and still team up with them even as they do everything to weaken them.
if the first is the case, i believe you should do more research and i can post some links.
if the second, i think that’s a dumb strategy and never really worked. it’s well known that liberals always team up with the fascists in the end to protect the status quo.
The second is literally the only way party reform has occurred historically. If you think change can happen another way you’re delusional. You’re literally declaring that it has to be full tilt republican fascism or actual revolution because both of those are infinitely more likely than a third party ever having power. So are you just an accelerationist? You working for republicans? Are you even American? You a tankie? What’s your goal here, because stopping the rise of fascism sure doesn’t seem to rate for you.
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Using the phrase “game theory” when you really mean “I’ve had a bit of a think” is an antipattern, and much more transparent than you seem to think.
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Literally nobody said anything about voting.
Oh I fully believe it’s happening, but I think it’s a problem that is amplified by the right to suppress liberal turnout…and it works. Look at 2024. It fucking worked.
And it’s going to happen again in 2028 if we don’t knock it the fuck off.
Step 1 has to be the elimination of MAGA…
Step 2 through 10 involve actually fixing the system. But none of it will happen if step 1 isn’t completed FIRST.
I just don’t feel confident that it was the propaganda of the right suppressing liberal interest, and not the authentic apathy of people not finding democracy in the democratic party.
I also don’t feel confident the current for of the democratic party is equipped for this, and I think not pushing them to do better is how we went from Biden to Trump 2.
Push them to do better by voting in the primaries… but don’t give up and stay home when the candidate you like doesn’t win the primary. Fucking vote.
I think he is splitting people are the establishment democrats who are going to fox news to attack the leftists and DSA
30% of the voters are far-right… That’s pretty much established. 30% are far-left. Like it or not, the middle 40% are the ones who actually make the decisions, and I think those are the ones they’re trying to appeal to… Almost every election moves based on the people who are willing to look at both sides and make a decision.
I always assume a politician’s message is going to change depending on what news channel they’re on, because they’re talking to a different group of people. You get on Fox news talking to fox-news-troglodytes and start spouting DSA rhetoric you’re going to get ignored, and it’s a waste of time.