• mechoman444@lemmy.world
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    1. He is one of the best presidents in US history.

    2. The orange Mongoose is one of the worst if not the worst.

    3. Obama bombed the ever loving shit out of the middle east.

    4. Obama deported more people from the US than Trump at the moment.

    I would do almost anything to go back to the Obama era, seriously. But I don’t want anyone thinking I believe Obama was some kind of saint. He wasn’t. He simply did things better than Trump.

    His immigration policy made more sense. He deported people who actually needed to be deported without resorting to modern-day concentration camps. He used military force in the Middle East, but generally for far more defensible reasons. He was a significantly better diplomat, and he certainly handled Iran better than Trump ever did, without throwing tantrums and shitting himself on national television.

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        As a part of the famous Democratic circular firing squad, I was extremely critical of most of Obama’s administration. But I voted for him twice, and I’d take him over Trump in a heartbeat.

        Edit: autocorrect-induced typo

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          That’s a difference between left and right. Conservatives value in-group loyalty more than truth or consistency. They fall in line. Feels good in their brain.

          This is an effective strategy, at least unless whatever objective reality they’re rejecting catches up with them.

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      If Obama Democratic senators had done their jobs ICE wouldn’t exist and warrantless surveillance infrastructure would have been dismantled. Furthermore, if they had cared about the obvious economic trajectory of average Americans they would have passed something like medicare for all, invested in transportation infrastructure and done more to address housing costs.

      But they didn’t. And Trump is a direct result of that.

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        So literally everything you said is completely wrong in every possible way.

        Presidents don’t have magical powers that let them change laws on a whim. Even with the orange man’s constant abuse of executive-order authority, those orders can still be blocked by the courts and constrained by Congress and other governing bodies.

        What do you even mean? Obama should have done this, and he should have done that, and if only they had done this, then Trump wouldn’t have been elected. Shoulda, woulda, coulda. Hindsight is 20/20.

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        No. Why would I mean extradited?

        He deported people who had illegally entered the country, people who were removable under U.S. immigration law because they had committed certain crimes in the United States, and, in some cases, people with criminal histories or warrants in other countries who were unlawfully present in the U.S.

        There may have been individual extradition cases during the Obama administration, but extradition is a separate legal process from deportation. It isn’t really an immigration policy so much as a matter of international criminal justice and cooperation between governments.