The left-right spectrum makes less sense to me by the day.
However, I personally define tankies as authoritians who do some mental gymnastics to think that a benevolent “socialist” dictatorship equates to control of society by the workers. (It obviously doesn’t. A dictatorship by a minority is exactly that)
Anyone who defines North Korea as socialist needs to reconsider their political positions, in my opinion.
Just because they’re in opposition to the capitalist South Korea and the worst imperialist nation in the world, the USA, doesn’t mean you need to stand behind the North Korean regime…
All the cool socialists think campism is brainrot (my opinion)
Edit: actually i think i wouldn’t put them exactly in that X axis position, i am sleepy so ain’t gonna try to understand well their exact position so that’s good enough
You can be left and authoritarian. At least outside of the US you can, in America all politics get squashed into a single binary choice, so it seems weird.
anarchism isnt the only branch of left, similarly how libertarianism isnt the only branch of right. You guys are too confident for associating yourself with a vastly non existent ideology
Edit: Noting that I didn’t mean that they are mutually exclusive outside of social structure… You can take individual actions in a socialist society. The question is just around which is the core principle of the organisation of society.
Edit 2: to me anarchy isn’t inherently individualistic, it is just opposed to power-over social structures. You can have a voluntary socialism. Look at Chiapas, for instance.
While respecting the rights and autonomy of the individual. It is entirely about respecting individual freedom while also encouraging work together as a community.
It’s about a community of individuals. The individual is celebrated, but in a way that’s far more akin to Mr. Rodgers (you’re special and unique just like everyone else) rather than of say a heroic society (where the ability to command attention and stand uniquely above others is valued).
An anarchist would say that you need to figure out how you can best contribute to your community in a way that fits with your unique self rather than taking away from it. It’s akin to a family, where various things need to be done and it’s up to the members of the household to figure out how to get it done in a way most associated with everyone’s wants and needs, but also in the discussion are the nice to haves like someone may grow an herb garden, while another household may decide nobody wants it enough to do it or push for it.
It’s not a binary. I’m against hierarchal class structures but I still think we need specialists making rules about shit like environmental protection.
Right wing and left wing are economic labels communism and capatalism. Right wing people tend to cluster towards the authoritarian side of the authority and liberty scale but so do left wingers.
The distinction between left and right wing comes from the French Revolution. Everyone who wanted to keep the King lined up on the right. Everyone who wanted to try sonething new lined up on the left. Leftism is certainly inherently anti-monarchical, and I would argue also inherently anti-hierarchical. Tankies are right-wing communists; that’s why left wing communists tend to disagree with them.
right wing is support of capitalism left wing is support of Communism You’re not going to change the definition by selectively copy pasting the answer that you got by googling the definition of left right spectrum. You are conflating conservatism with capitalism they are two separate human conditions.
I can also copy paste from Google
Conservatism is a social and political philosophy focused on preserving traditional values, social order, and established institutions. Capitalism is an economic system based on private ownership, market competition, and profit. While often closely allied in modern politics, they represent distinct concepts that can sometimes conflict
I do want to stress that I’m not calling you stupid. I’m just trying to let you know that the words you are using do not mean what you think they mean.
“Far left”
“Tankie”
Choose one
The left-right spectrum makes less sense to me by the day.
However, I personally define tankies as authoritians who do some mental gymnastics to think that a benevolent “socialist” dictatorship equates to control of society by the workers. (It obviously doesn’t. A dictatorship by a minority is exactly that)
Anyone who defines North Korea as socialist needs to reconsider their political positions, in my opinion.
Just because they’re in opposition to the capitalist South Korea and the worst imperialist nation in the world, the USA, doesn’t mean you need to stand behind the North Korean regime…
All the cool socialists think campism is brainrot (my opinion)
The problem with any political label is that they’re outdated by the time you define them.
The tankies describe themselves as such.
To not be associated with them, more actual far-left adherents need to actively disavow the tankies.
Tankies:
Edit: actually i think i wouldn’t put them exactly in that X axis position, i am sleepy so ain’t gonna try to understand well their exact position so that’s good enough
you use political compass in big 26.
Sorry, that doesn’t play into the both-sides false-equivalency rhetoric. Please delete this comment.
You can be left and authoritarian. At least outside of the US you can, in America all politics get squashed into a single binary choice, so it seems weird.
You can also be left and be right, and dumb and wise, and black and white, all simultaneously! Up is down, back is forwards, authoritarian is left!
No, left is against hierarchy
anarchism isnt the only branch of left, similarly how libertarianism isnt the only branch of right. You guys are too confident for associating yourself with a vastly non existent ideology
Schrödinger’s political chessboard
No, left is socialist (in the broad sense, opposed to individualism)
* Anarchism has entered the chat*
Yea just gonna full sail disagree with you on this claim.
Many types of anarchism fit under the socialist umbrella
Yes, I agree, which would disagree with the other comment’s point that socialism inherently opposes individualism.
Interesting. Where/when are they not opposed?
Edit: Noting that I didn’t mean that they are mutually exclusive outside of social structure… You can take individual actions in a socialist society. The question is just around which is the core principle of the organisation of society.
Edit 2: to me anarchy isn’t inherently individualistic, it is just opposed to power-over social structures. You can have a voluntary socialism. Look at Chiapas, for instance.
As much as i know, anarchy is not indivualist since the entire point of anarchism should be that the community works togheter to do stuff
While respecting the rights and autonomy of the individual. It is entirely about respecting individual freedom while also encouraging work together as a community.
Anarchism is about resolving the apparent contradictions between individual rights/responsibilities and collective rights/responsibilities.
Victor Serge & George Woodcock enter the chat.
It’s about a community of individuals. The individual is celebrated, but in a way that’s far more akin to Mr. Rodgers (you’re special and unique just like everyone else) rather than of say a heroic society (where the ability to command attention and stand uniquely above others is valued).
An anarchist would say that you need to figure out how you can best contribute to your community in a way that fits with your unique self rather than taking away from it. It’s akin to a family, where various things need to be done and it’s up to the members of the household to figure out how to get it done in a way most associated with everyone’s wants and needs, but also in the discussion are the nice to haves like someone may grow an herb garden, while another household may decide nobody wants it enough to do it or push for it.
It’s not a binary. I’m against hierarchal class structures but I still think we need specialists making rules about shit like environmental protection.
I thought libertarians were against hierarchy
We have nothing against hierarchy as long as everybody agrees who is in charge and why and nobody is coerced into it.
Tankies are what happens when you go all the way left and all the way up into Authoritarianship
end up being right wing. authoritarian in nature is often conservative leaning.
Right wing and left wing are economic labels communism and capatalism. Right wing people tend to cluster towards the authoritarian side of the authority and liberty scale but so do left wingers.
Yeah but right wing in tankie states were called the nomenclature, the old guard
We clearly are having a communication issue here. Right wing has meant pro-capitalism for over 200 years
mint > meant I blame speech to text.
The distinction between left and right wing comes from the French Revolution. Everyone who wanted to keep the King lined up on the right. Everyone who wanted to try sonething new lined up on the left. Leftism is certainly inherently anti-monarchical, and I would argue also inherently anti-hierarchical. Tankies are right-wing communists; that’s why left wing communists tend to disagree with them.
right wing is support of capitalism left wing is support of Communism You’re not going to change the definition by selectively copy pasting the answer that you got by googling the definition of left right spectrum. You are conflating conservatism with capitalism they are two separate human conditions.
I can also copy paste from Google
Conservatism is a social and political philosophy focused on preserving traditional values, social order, and established institutions. Capitalism is an economic system based on private ownership, market competition, and profit. While often closely allied in modern politics, they represent distinct concepts that can sometimes conflict
I do want to stress that I’m not calling you stupid. I’m just trying to let you know that the words you are using do not mean what you think they mean.
These words mean five different things to four different people, but I’ll bite. Was the Meiji restoration ‘left’ or ‘right’?
lenin was anti left-com, its ideology of twitter kids.