with members backing a measure urging lawmakers to abolish U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) while also more strongly approving a separate proposal calling for reforms to the agency.
Approving a proposal to reform ICE demonstrates that the vote to abolish it is merely theatre to appease progressives.
It’s only symbolic if we let it be. Now that they’ve actually committed to it officially, we have to FORCE them to honor it.
To start with, EVERY Democrat better vote against any ICE funding, and the emphasis for now should be on reform and retraining, just to fuck with them heavily until we can abolish ICE completely.
In the meantime, we can force ICE to spend what little money they have left on reform and retraining, starting with a top to bottom review of each agent, with those accused of abuses fired, those with criminal backgrounds fired, those with no previous law enforcement training fired. Any abuses uncovered during the reviews will be heavily prosecuted. I suspect most will be going to prison, rather than home.
And any detainment and deportations of innocent people without criminal records, who were operating within the legal immigration framework will result in the ICE/DHS leadership taking personal responsibility, and can be held personally liable for lawsuits brought by undocumented citizens. They were doing everything correctly, working through the system, often for years, and ICE destroyed their lives. Those responsible will feel the pain of their victims’ repatriation and reimbursement.
That will focus ICE’s efforts inward, and draw them away from their current mission of cruelty.
TBF the sort of progressives who want it entirely dismantled with no replacement do regularly fall for theatre, rarely read congressional documents.
I think most of the problem with ICE are much larger issues with law enforcement accountability and the current admin far exceeding its own authority. The constitution promises Habeus Corpus rights, as well as rights to a fair trial, the ICE do not even have official warants, and most of the detainees were far from being any kind of undocumented.
If we could fix those issues that would be closer to Utopia than regressing to the 1980s, imo.
I agree 100%, but we can eliminate the agency that is ICE, and other law enforcement agencies can handle it, or a new one can be created to handle it, but ICE must be entirely abolished. It is a rotten tree, and no amount of reform will ever clean out the rot, and it will always be weak because of it.
Better to remove it, and replace it with an entirely new tree that doesn’t carry any of the old institutional poison in its veins.
progressives who want it entirely dismantled with no replacement
ICE was a post-9/11 invention of the Bush Administration. To believe we absolutely need a paramilitary dedicated to funneling millions of people into concentration camps on spurious allegations and threadbare charges, you need to have already ingested a ton of hysterical fascist slop.
If you want to defend ICE’s existence, put up an argument for it’s continued function. Why do we need tens of thousands of armed thugs storming into cities and dragging people out of green card hearings by their hair?
If we could fix those issues
You’d still have a Gestapo full of armed reactionaries on the government payroll.
What you’re talking about is akin to reforming the Army of the Confederacy or the Khmer Rouge.
Approving a proposal to reform ICE demonstrates that the vote to abolish it is merely theatre to appease progressives.
Hey! Good news. We’re important enough to be appeased now. We’re not just getting blamed whenever Dems shit the bed electorally.
Make them appease some more.
It’s only symbolic if we let it be. Now that they’ve actually committed to it officially, we have to FORCE them to honor it.
To start with, EVERY Democrat better vote against any ICE funding, and the emphasis for now should be on reform and retraining, just to fuck with them heavily until we can abolish ICE completely.
In the meantime, we can force ICE to spend what little money they have left on reform and retraining, starting with a top to bottom review of each agent, with those accused of abuses fired, those with criminal backgrounds fired, those with no previous law enforcement training fired. Any abuses uncovered during the reviews will be heavily prosecuted. I suspect most will be going to prison, rather than home.
And any detainment and deportations of innocent people without criminal records, who were operating within the legal immigration framework will result in the ICE/DHS leadership taking personal responsibility, and can be held personally liable for lawsuits brought by undocumented citizens. They were doing everything correctly, working through the system, often for years, and ICE destroyed their lives. Those responsible will feel the pain of their victims’ repatriation and reimbursement.
That will focus ICE’s efforts inward, and draw them away from their current mission of cruelty.
Less than three months from an election. Nah, couldn’t be…
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TBF the sort of progressives who want it entirely dismantled with no replacement do regularly fall for theatre, rarely read congressional documents.
I think most of the problem with ICE are much larger issues with law enforcement accountability and the current admin far exceeding its own authority. The constitution promises Habeus Corpus rights, as well as rights to a fair trial, the ICE do not even have official warants, and most of the detainees were far from being any kind of undocumented.
If we could fix those issues that would be closer to Utopia than regressing to the 1980s, imo.
I agree 100%, but we can eliminate the agency that is ICE, and other law enforcement agencies can handle it, or a new one can be created to handle it, but ICE must be entirely abolished. It is a rotten tree, and no amount of reform will ever clean out the rot, and it will always be weak because of it.
Better to remove it, and replace it with an entirely new tree that doesn’t carry any of the old institutional poison in its veins.
Fair enough
ICE was a post-9/11 invention of the Bush Administration. To believe we absolutely need a paramilitary dedicated to funneling millions of people into concentration camps on spurious allegations and threadbare charges, you need to have already ingested a ton of hysterical fascist slop.
If you want to defend ICE’s existence, put up an argument for it’s continued function. Why do we need tens of thousands of armed thugs storming into cities and dragging people out of green card hearings by their hair?
You’d still have a Gestapo full of armed reactionaries on the government payroll.
What you’re talking about is akin to reforming the Army of the Confederacy or the Khmer Rouge.
Like a military or a federal law enforcement branch? I’m starting to think your problem isn’t with this administration but any in general.
The US has had something of a history of rounding people up for indefinite imprisonment and murder through neglect.
Might want to consider doing something about that, rather than punting the tools of genocide to the next administration.