TBF the sort of progressives who want it entirely dismantled with no replacement do regularly fall for theatre, rarely read congressional documents.
I think most of the problem with ICE are much larger issues with law enforcement accountability and the current admin far exceeding its own authority. The constitution promises Habeus Corpus rights, as well as rights to a fair trial, the ICE do not even have official warants, and most of the detainees were far from being any kind of undocumented.
If we could fix those issues that would be closer to Utopia than regressing to the 1980s, imo.
I agree 100%, but we can eliminate the agency that is ICE, and other law enforcement agencies can handle it, or a new one can be created to handle it, but ICE must be entirely abolished. It is a rotten tree, and no amount of reform will ever clean out the rot, and it will always be weak because of it.
Better to remove it, and replace it with an entirely new tree that doesn’t carry any of the old institutional poison in its veins.
progressives who want it entirely dismantled with no replacement
ICE was a post-9/11 invention of the Bush Administration. To believe we absolutely need a paramilitary dedicated to funneling millions of people into concentration camps on spurious allegations and threadbare charges, you need to have already ingested a ton of hysterical fascist slop.
If you want to defend ICE’s existence, put up an argument for it’s continued function. Why do we need tens of thousands of armed thugs storming into cities and dragging people out of green card hearings by their hair?
If we could fix those issues
You’d still have a Gestapo full of armed reactionaries on the government payroll.
What you’re talking about is akin to reforming the Army of the Confederacy or the Khmer Rouge.
TBF the sort of progressives who want it entirely dismantled with no replacement do regularly fall for theatre, rarely read congressional documents.
I think most of the problem with ICE are much larger issues with law enforcement accountability and the current admin far exceeding its own authority. The constitution promises Habeus Corpus rights, as well as rights to a fair trial, the ICE do not even have official warants, and most of the detainees were far from being any kind of undocumented.
If we could fix those issues that would be closer to Utopia than regressing to the 1980s, imo.
I agree 100%, but we can eliminate the agency that is ICE, and other law enforcement agencies can handle it, or a new one can be created to handle it, but ICE must be entirely abolished. It is a rotten tree, and no amount of reform will ever clean out the rot, and it will always be weak because of it.
Better to remove it, and replace it with an entirely new tree that doesn’t carry any of the old institutional poison in its veins.
Fair enough
ICE was a post-9/11 invention of the Bush Administration. To believe we absolutely need a paramilitary dedicated to funneling millions of people into concentration camps on spurious allegations and threadbare charges, you need to have already ingested a ton of hysterical fascist slop.
If you want to defend ICE’s existence, put up an argument for it’s continued function. Why do we need tens of thousands of armed thugs storming into cities and dragging people out of green card hearings by their hair?
You’d still have a Gestapo full of armed reactionaries on the government payroll.
What you’re talking about is akin to reforming the Army of the Confederacy or the Khmer Rouge.
Like a military or a federal law enforcement branch? I’m starting to think your problem isn’t with this administration but any in general.
The US has had something of a history of rounding people up for indefinite imprisonment and murder through neglect.
Might want to consider doing something about that, rather than punting the tools of genocide to the next administration.