Yeah, clearly their fault and not the millions of voters who preferred fascism or the millions of people who didn’t give a shit enough to do anything. /s
Fascism does not happen in a vacuum. It happens when the political system becomes stagnant leading voters to turn to populism for political change. The right embraced this to secure control of the state, the Democrats dug their heels in the dirt and consistently supported third way Democrats who consistently sold off social safety networks and progressive rights to secure economic benefits for the wealthy donor class.
And a lot of people who “voted for facism” are just average citizens who don’t look to deeply into politics (either don’t care, understand, or have time/energy) and just bought the right wing lie of “fix economy, gib jobs, lower fuel price, tough on crime” etc. And went with that.
Yeah, some of the voters are straight up facist, but people here are being too hard on people who’s time and energy is squashed by the hyper capitalist machine and are surrounded by propaganda
Fascism isn’t appealing unless the status quo is extraordinarily bad for the average person. Observe, the party of the status quo. Do you not think they contributed to where we are?
My point being everyone points to them all the time. Why not people who vote for fascism or abstain?
Primary turnouts are TERRIBLE. People complain all the time but generally do fuck all to make anything different. For as much bitching as there is people could be electing more mamdanis or Aocs or whoever but they don’t.
They prefer to bitch online, to their friends, etc. and then not use the primary tool to change anything and somehow expect things to just magically get better. I have friends and family who do just this.
I’m just railing against the idea it’s all the fault of the “establishment” or whatever is the word of the day instead of allocating at least some blame to people who don’t do anything to effect their situation and expect others to do all the work.
You can’t vote in a primary for a candidate that doesn’t exist. It is expensive to run in a primary, both socially and financially. These chucklefucks know that more fairness in primaries make it more likely that they lose their jobs, so they have a vested interest in keeping primaries difficult to participate in. Oh look! That’s still on them! Amazing!
We’ve seen in the last few years that high voter turnout in primaries is caused by a highly visible candidate that people are excited about. Higher vote turnout in a primary where such a candidate isn’t running wouldn’t change anything, now would it?
Like, you keep trying to make the people who have the least control and power in this situation more culpable than the fuckers who run it. Do you understand my incredulity at such a prospect?
I’ll make you a deal. When voting is a protected, guaranteed, and useful right (everyone who can vote is able to, national holiday for voting or full mail-in, and some voting system better than FPTP) then we can hold people to full account on why they’re not voting. For now, we have MASSIVE voter disenfranchisement bordering on Jim Crow levels of “we’d rather people like you not vote” bullshit going on. Not gonna get mad at the people for not pushing through that every single time they have the ability to vote.
So yeah, you’re still holding the wrong people to account.
People saw his behavior and voted for him again. This has no explanation outside of people vote for who’s not in power every time. Could have been a monkey, but unfortunately wasn’t.
Oh yeah! I remember how after 4 years we completely got the country back on track, removed all economic/societal pressure on the average American. They must’ve just chose fascism cause they’re evil /s
Dude, people are drowning and Biden/Harris ran on “no fundamental change” in 2024. They picked the person who promised change. It’s not rocket science. Yes, people are shortsighted, but the drowning tend to be so.
Accountability for those responsible, the leaders who are failing their people and are unable or unwilling to fix the issues that are pushing people to extremism. Exactly! I’m glad we’re on the same page! Hold those bastards accountable and get them out of those positions, so that that power can be held by those who will actually act on their mandate.
Nah, take accountability.
Yeah, clearly their fault and not the millions of voters who preferred fascism or the millions of people who didn’t give a shit enough to do anything. /s
Fascism does not happen in a vacuum. It happens when the political system becomes stagnant leading voters to turn to populism for political change. The right embraced this to secure control of the state, the Democrats dug their heels in the dirt and consistently supported third way Democrats who consistently sold off social safety networks and progressive rights to secure economic benefits for the wealthy donor class.
And a lot of people who “voted for facism” are just average citizens who don’t look to deeply into politics (either don’t care, understand, or have time/energy) and just bought the right wing lie of “fix economy, gib jobs, lower fuel price, tough on crime” etc. And went with that.
Yeah, some of the voters are straight up facist, but people here are being too hard on people who’s time and energy is squashed by the hyper capitalist machine and are surrounded by propaganda
Fascism isn’t appealing unless the status quo is extraordinarily bad for the average person. Observe, the party of the status quo. Do you not think they contributed to where we are?
My point being everyone points to them all the time. Why not people who vote for fascism or abstain?
Primary turnouts are TERRIBLE. People complain all the time but generally do fuck all to make anything different. For as much bitching as there is people could be electing more mamdanis or Aocs or whoever but they don’t.
They prefer to bitch online, to their friends, etc. and then not use the primary tool to change anything and somehow expect things to just magically get better. I have friends and family who do just this.
I’m just railing against the idea it’s all the fault of the “establishment” or whatever is the word of the day instead of allocating at least some blame to people who don’t do anything to effect their situation and expect others to do all the work.
You can’t vote in a primary for a candidate that doesn’t exist. It is expensive to run in a primary, both socially and financially. These chucklefucks know that more fairness in primaries make it more likely that they lose their jobs, so they have a vested interest in keeping primaries difficult to participate in. Oh look! That’s still on them! Amazing!
We’ve seen in the last few years that high voter turnout in primaries is caused by a highly visible candidate that people are excited about. Higher vote turnout in a primary where such a candidate isn’t running wouldn’t change anything, now would it?
Like, you keep trying to make the people who have the least control and power in this situation more culpable than the fuckers who run it. Do you understand my incredulity at such a prospect?
I don’t think it helps anyone to absolve their complicity in not doing their civic duty. They still have a choice regardless if theyre “excited.”
There’s zero reason not to turn out. Period.
Unless people truly don’t care and it turns out, a bunch truly don’t.
I’ll make you a deal. When voting is a protected, guaranteed, and useful right (everyone who can vote is able to, national holiday for voting or full mail-in, and some voting system better than FPTP) then we can hold people to full account on why they’re not voting. For now, we have MASSIVE voter disenfranchisement bordering on Jim Crow levels of “we’d rather people like you not vote” bullshit going on. Not gonna get mad at the people for not pushing through that every single time they have the ability to vote.
So yeah, you’re still holding the wrong people to account.
They did it 2 (two) times.
People saw his behavior and voted for him again. This has no explanation outside of people vote for who’s not in power every time. Could have been a monkey, but unfortunately wasn’t.
Oh yeah! I remember how after 4 years we completely got the country back on track, removed all economic/societal pressure on the average American. They must’ve just chose fascism cause they’re evil /s
Dude, people are drowning and Biden/Harris ran on “no fundamental change” in 2024. They picked the person who promised change. It’s not rocket science. Yes, people are shortsighted, but the drowning tend to be so.
Again. No accountability. Vote for fascism for all I care.
Accountability for those responsible, the leaders who are failing their people and are unable or unwilling to fix the issues that are pushing people to extremism. Exactly! I’m glad we’re on the same page! Hold those bastards accountable and get them out of those positions, so that that power can be held by those who will actually act on their mandate.
Or the “I was just doing my job” ICE agents.