My point being everyone points to them all the time. Why not people who vote for fascism or abstain?
Primary turnouts are TERRIBLE. People complain all the time but generally do fuck all to make anything different. For as much bitching as there is people could be electing more mamdanis or Aocs or whoever but they don’t.
They prefer to bitch online, to their friends, etc. and then not use the primary tool to change anything and somehow expect things to just magically get better. I have friends and family who do just this.
I’m just railing against the idea it’s all the fault of the “establishment” or whatever is the word of the day instead of allocating at least some blame to people who don’t do anything to effect their situation and expect others to do all the work.
You can’t vote in a primary for a candidate that doesn’t exist. It is expensive to run in a primary, both socially and financially. These chucklefucks know that more fairness in primaries make it more likely that they lose their jobs, so they have a vested interest in keeping primaries difficult to participate in. Oh look! That’s still on them! Amazing!
We’ve seen in the last few years that high voter turnout in primaries is caused by a highly visible candidate that people are excited about. Higher vote turnout in a primary where such a candidate isn’t running wouldn’t change anything, now would it?
Like, you keep trying to make the people who have the least control and power in this situation more culpable than the fuckers who run it. Do you understand my incredulity at such a prospect?
I’ll make you a deal. When voting is a protected, guaranteed, and useful right (everyone who can vote is able to, national holiday for voting or full mail-in, and some voting system better than FPTP) then we can hold people to full account on why they’re not voting. For now, we have MASSIVE voter disenfranchisement bordering on Jim Crow levels of “we’d rather people like you not vote” bullshit going on. Not gonna get mad at the people for not pushing through that every single time they have the ability to vote.
So yeah, you’re still holding the wrong people to account.
You’re viewing low voter turnout how puritan work culture views poverty. You’re blaming the victims of the system by calling them lazy, rather than interrogating how the system creates those outcomes. You’re also making villians out of the very people who you need to engage and work with in order to turn this situation around, again like puritan work culture.
Stop giving up on people before you even give them a real chance.
My point being everyone points to them all the time. Why not people who vote for fascism or abstain?
Primary turnouts are TERRIBLE. People complain all the time but generally do fuck all to make anything different. For as much bitching as there is people could be electing more mamdanis or Aocs or whoever but they don’t.
They prefer to bitch online, to their friends, etc. and then not use the primary tool to change anything and somehow expect things to just magically get better. I have friends and family who do just this.
I’m just railing against the idea it’s all the fault of the “establishment” or whatever is the word of the day instead of allocating at least some blame to people who don’t do anything to effect their situation and expect others to do all the work.
You can’t vote in a primary for a candidate that doesn’t exist. It is expensive to run in a primary, both socially and financially. These chucklefucks know that more fairness in primaries make it more likely that they lose their jobs, so they have a vested interest in keeping primaries difficult to participate in. Oh look! That’s still on them! Amazing!
We’ve seen in the last few years that high voter turnout in primaries is caused by a highly visible candidate that people are excited about. Higher vote turnout in a primary where such a candidate isn’t running wouldn’t change anything, now would it?
Like, you keep trying to make the people who have the least control and power in this situation more culpable than the fuckers who run it. Do you understand my incredulity at such a prospect?
I don’t think it helps anyone to absolve their complicity in not doing their civic duty. They still have a choice regardless if theyre “excited.”
There’s zero reason not to turn out. Period.
Unless people truly don’t care and it turns out, a bunch truly don’t.
I’ll make you a deal. When voting is a protected, guaranteed, and useful right (everyone who can vote is able to, national holiday for voting or full mail-in, and some voting system better than FPTP) then we can hold people to full account on why they’re not voting. For now, we have MASSIVE voter disenfranchisement bordering on Jim Crow levels of “we’d rather people like you not vote” bullshit going on. Not gonna get mad at the people for not pushing through that every single time they have the ability to vote.
So yeah, you’re still holding the wrong people to account.
Im quite aware of that but if doesn’t explain pathetic primary turnout and less pathetic but still pathetic general turnout.
Just agree to disagree.
You’re viewing low voter turnout how puritan work culture views poverty. You’re blaming the victims of the system by calling them lazy, rather than interrogating how the system creates those outcomes. You’re also making villians out of the very people who you need to engage and work with in order to turn this situation around, again like puritan work culture.
Stop giving up on people before you even give them a real chance.