I’ve been looking forward to his death too but the more I think about it, it’s a mistake to think his death will somehow change the direction things are going
America is conveniently putting all the blame on Trump and ignoring that it took a lot of people to put Anerica in the position it’s in. If the problem were JUST Trump, he wouldn’t have come anywhere close to being elected. A sane country would have reacted to his behaviour by laughing him off and never giving him any votes or airtime. Trump is in power because an alarming number of Americans (not necessarily a majority, but a lot) agree with him
I’ve always been annoyed by people wanting to go back in time and kill Hitler. If it wasn’t Hitler, it just would have been someone else. There’s this strange persistent myth that if we get rid of one evil man, it all goes away. Hitler didn’t singlehandedly kill 11 million people. 11 million people aren’t rounded up and killed because one man decided to do it, it required people to go along with it
It’s more about hoping the cult breaks down and won’t be unified anymore. Maybe vance can’t jedi mind trick people the same way or something? Republican party fractures, rfk jr becomes totally irrelevant, etc.
But yes long terms the problems are still there, the hope is for some kind of respite, force the fascist elements to retreat, and democracy fashions some tools to defend itself better moving forward.
But yeah idk i really hope all the epstein stuff can come out, for example – more witnesses come forward, actual accountability and jail time for the perps involved – but it would not be a huge surprise if none of that ever happens
In terms of hitler, if he had died in the war or something, maybe France would have gone full fascist genocide. France was really a leader of antisemitism much more so than Germany before hitler rose to power. But of course, those are the kinds of hypotheticals that can only have absurd answers.
Its obvious the big big money players are driving his agenda.
They are daring the poor people to fight for their existence.
PS: re: Hitler. Go back in time. Take meth and cash. Find hitler. Get him on meth, buy enough art to get him notoriety, teach him punk music, let punk music advance egalitarian freedom and anarchy, so fascism has harder time gaining traction.
I would blame the non voters and misinformation and the complacency of it more.
The reps are evil in nature and simply feed on such opportunities. They will always be there. The evil will always be there. Everything else adapts with time to prevent it from such power.
Yes and no. You’re certainly right, most of Trump’s popularity comes from Russian propaganda, and far more institutional issues like underfunded education, the blind eye to the Southern states after the Civil War, leftover Red Scare paranoia, and rampant lobbying.
That being said, using the disease metaphor, I think of Trump as more of a “complication” than a “symptom”. Something that’s drastically exacerbated a problem that was already there. Every other politician, even ones as corrupt and self-serving and dictatorial as him, all have to play the PR game and dress their rancid fantasies up as something that would benefit the public. Trump meanwhile, can transparently go back on every single promise, back stab his every last ally, out himself as perhaps the most prolific paedophile in human history, and order his fans into a street militia, and somehow, his supporters just accept it as part of his “brand”.
The US was probably always going in this direction, but I still think it wouldn’t have got here half as fast, maybe not even a third of the speed Trump’s been disassembling it without him. I don’t really know why Trump’s popularity was never affected by his vile actions until this year - they would sink any other public figure. Maybe it’s the right wing press playing defense for him at every turn, maybe it was his “joke candidate” status he earned back in 2015, maybe it’s his history in the public spotlight. Whatever it is, far right politicians around the world have tried to replicate what Trump has, and they’ve all failed. Because of that, I still think that the Big Beautiful Obituary will be well worth celebrating!
Perversely, the “great men” view of history that prompts us to want to kill baby hitler is an authoritarian one.
Authoritarian leaders often adopt the narrative that they are special saviors uniquely equipped to fix the problems of the world. The much less romantic truth is that even if we could trust someone with that kind of power, the problems that plague our world are too big to be solved by a single person, no matter how well-intentioned or capable that person may be.
I don’t think that’s true at all, “if not Hitler then someone else”, as if it was some kind of unavoidable deterministic fate.
Personally I will just be ecstatic over never having to hear his dumb fucking voice again.
The cabal of fascists infesting and rotting democracy like termites will have to be dealt with and if anything, at least our shared hatred of Trump has made us come together and organize and prepare to fumigate the whole fucking place.
Trump has a cult of personality that took years to build, and isn’t simply transferred to someone else. MAGA doesn’t survive if he’s gone. Will there still be fascists, racists, and so on? Yes, but they won’t be unified anymore, and they won’t be grouped together with the rest of the right anymore either. This will be good for the left in the short term because the right will be less powerful, but also bad for the left because it won’t be as easy to attack the right.
No doubt it will hurt them, but they will recoalesce into some new golem down the line, and I don’t think it’ll take long. They’re loud and energetic, all that energy still has to go somewhere- and remember the fundamentalist Christians. They sure as hell ain’t leaving anytime soon, and they’re already mobilized and old in the game. I think once the Diaper Balloon pops whoever grabs the throne will be pushed as the new idol and FOX et al will brainwash the crowd into supporting them.
That was never inevitable. The breeding ground, or the bacterial culture was spreading in the vat, but certainty was never on the table. We can change things, we can avert disaster, we can elect competent leaders. Case in point: Mamdani.
I kind of agree with you, but his death will still be celebrated. When you get a mosquito it won’t significantly change how many bites you get at the end of the day but it still feels fuckin great
I mean, of course, then again uniting under a single banner/man does make the faction stronger, under him they simply can’t make any mistake, someone else would have a harder time getting away with the same things.
This does not take anything away from how evil they are and how they still exist and will after him
Why would someone else have a harder time getting away with stuff? What is special about Trump? I legit don’t understand how he gets away with things that supposedly nobody else would. Has he made a deal with the devil for immunity from all possible consequences? I’m legitimately asking, why is he different?
Yeah he just made a deal with the devil… Nah, in all seriousness it’s the way he appeals to the uneducated and hateful masses. You can’t replicate his special mix of pure hatred and greed inorganically. It isn’t that there can’t be another, more so that no one even remotely in a position where they could take over doesn’t have the same undeniable sway. They’ll stop being so united.
Doesn’t mean they’ll stop being a threat, it’ll just mean it’s a bit easier to deal with
The powerful people that run the world don’t care about the bad things he has done. They have a different moral code than everyone else and its pretty fucked.
You have to take small victories while understanding the bigger picture. It will still be glorious, although I am saving up cheap 100 proof vodka as the asshat does not deserve good booze or my money in buying said booze. I might add a champagne if it’s less than 20 bucks.
Ok, but what if it really is him? I mean if we’re assigning moral blame then you’re right: many, many people are responsible. But negative outcomes for evil beliefs aren’t a given. What if people are always just this stupid, and it took a certain person with certain traits to bring this out of them? Did people change, or were they just latently stupid but mostly harmless this entire time? Things were going pretty well for a while there, so what if we were teetering on the edge that whole time?
His death might also give some of the smarter fascists an off-ramp, which could reduce their critical mass. I’m NOT saying they deserve an off-ramp, but if it means society starts heading in the right direction again, maybe it’s worth it. We’d all prefer to excise the tumor completely, but sometimes that seems impossible. Remission would still be a blessing.
I guess what I’m saying is, let’s not be too cynical while we’re celebrating this person’s death.
I’ve been looking forward to his death too but the more I think about it, it’s a mistake to think his death will somehow change the direction things are going
America is conveniently putting all the blame on Trump and ignoring that it took a lot of people to put Anerica in the position it’s in. If the problem were JUST Trump, he wouldn’t have come anywhere close to being elected. A sane country would have reacted to his behaviour by laughing him off and never giving him any votes or airtime. Trump is in power because an alarming number of Americans (not necessarily a majority, but a lot) agree with him
I’ve always been annoyed by people wanting to go back in time and kill Hitler. If it wasn’t Hitler, it just would have been someone else. There’s this strange persistent myth that if we get rid of one evil man, it all goes away. Hitler didn’t singlehandedly kill 11 million people. 11 million people aren’t rounded up and killed because one man decided to do it, it required people to go along with it
It’s more about hoping the cult breaks down and won’t be unified anymore. Maybe vance can’t jedi mind trick people the same way or something? Republican party fractures, rfk jr becomes totally irrelevant, etc.
But yes long terms the problems are still there, the hope is for some kind of respite, force the fascist elements to retreat, and democracy fashions some tools to defend itself better moving forward.
But yeah idk i really hope all the epstein stuff can come out, for example – more witnesses come forward, actual accountability and jail time for the perps involved – but it would not be a huge surprise if none of that ever happens
In terms of hitler, if he had died in the war or something, maybe France would have gone full fascist genocide. France was really a leader of antisemitism much more so than Germany before hitler rose to power. But of course, those are the kinds of hypotheticals that can only have absurd answers.
Yes.
Trump is the symptom, not the disease.
Its obvious the big big money players are driving his agenda.
They are daring the poor people to fight for their existence.
PS: re: Hitler. Go back in time. Take meth and cash. Find hitler. Get him on meth, buy enough art to get him notoriety, teach him punk music, let punk music advance egalitarian freedom and anarchy, so fascism has harder time gaining traction.
Might be a symptom but you still breathe a sigh of relief when your headache clears up even if your alcoholism is going to cause another one tomorrow.
I would blame the non voters and misinformation and the complacency of it more.
The reps are evil in nature and simply feed on such opportunities. They will always be there. The evil will always be there. Everything else adapts with time to prevent it from such power.
This time we all let ourselves down on this one.
Yes and no. You’re certainly right, most of Trump’s popularity comes from Russian propaganda, and far more institutional issues like underfunded education, the blind eye to the Southern states after the Civil War, leftover Red Scare paranoia, and rampant lobbying.
That being said, using the disease metaphor, I think of Trump as more of a “complication” than a “symptom”. Something that’s drastically exacerbated a problem that was already there. Every other politician, even ones as corrupt and self-serving and dictatorial as him, all have to play the PR game and dress their rancid fantasies up as something that would benefit the public. Trump meanwhile, can transparently go back on every single promise, back stab his every last ally, out himself as perhaps the most prolific paedophile in human history, and order his fans into a street militia, and somehow, his supporters just accept it as part of his “brand”.
The US was probably always going in this direction, but I still think it wouldn’t have got here half as fast, maybe not even a third of the speed Trump’s been disassembling it without him. I don’t really know why Trump’s popularity was never affected by his vile actions until this year - they would sink any other public figure. Maybe it’s the right wing press playing defense for him at every turn, maybe it was his “joke candidate” status he earned back in 2015, maybe it’s his history in the public spotlight. Whatever it is, far right politicians around the world have tried to replicate what Trump has, and they’ve all failed. Because of that, I still think that the Big Beautiful Obituary will be well worth celebrating!
Perversely, the “great men” view of history that prompts us to want to kill baby hitler is an authoritarian one.
Authoritarian leaders often adopt the narrative that they are special saviors uniquely equipped to fix the problems of the world. The much less romantic truth is that even if we could trust someone with that kind of power, the problems that plague our world are too big to be solved by a single person, no matter how well-intentioned or capable that person may be.
I don’t think that’s true at all, “if not Hitler then someone else”, as if it was some kind of unavoidable deterministic fate.
Personally I will just be ecstatic over never having to hear his dumb fucking voice again.
The cabal of fascists infesting and rotting democracy like termites will have to be dealt with and if anything, at least our shared hatred of Trump has made us come together and organize and prepare to fumigate the whole fucking place.
Trump has a cult of personality that took years to build, and isn’t simply transferred to someone else. MAGA doesn’t survive if he’s gone. Will there still be fascists, racists, and so on? Yes, but they won’t be unified anymore, and they won’t be grouped together with the rest of the right anymore either. This will be good for the left in the short term because the right will be less powerful, but also bad for the left because it won’t be as easy to attack the right.
No doubt it will hurt them, but they will recoalesce into some new golem down the line, and I don’t think it’ll take long. They’re loud and energetic, all that energy still has to go somewhere- and remember the fundamentalist Christians. They sure as hell ain’t leaving anytime soon, and they’re already mobilized and old in the game. I think once the Diaper Balloon pops whoever grabs the throne will be pushed as the new idol and FOX et al will brainwash the crowd into supporting them.
That’s my bet at least.
It would have been somebody else just as it would be someone else now if not Trump. This is just how the political tide keeps turning
That was never inevitable. The breeding ground, or the bacterial culture was spreading in the vat, but certainty was never on the table. We can change things, we can avert disaster, we can elect competent leaders. Case in point: Mamdani.
I kind of agree with you, but his death will still be celebrated. When you get a mosquito it won’t significantly change how many bites you get at the end of the day but it still feels fuckin great
Yeah, this unfortunately. It’s the far right MAGA extremists who voted him in
We need to hold them accountable, throw them in jail, deport them and blacklist them
I mean, of course, then again uniting under a single banner/man does make the faction stronger, under him they simply can’t make any mistake, someone else would have a harder time getting away with the same things.
This does not take anything away from how evil they are and how they still exist and will after him
Why would someone else have a harder time getting away with stuff? What is special about Trump? I legit don’t understand how he gets away with things that supposedly nobody else would. Has he made a deal with the devil for immunity from all possible consequences? I’m legitimately asking, why is he different?
Yeah he just made a deal with the devil… Nah, in all seriousness it’s the way he appeals to the uneducated and hateful masses. You can’t replicate his special mix of pure hatred and greed inorganically. It isn’t that there can’t be another, more so that no one even remotely in a position where they could take over doesn’t have the same undeniable sway. They’ll stop being so united.
Doesn’t mean they’ll stop being a threat, it’ll just mean it’s a bit easier to deal with
The powerful people that run the world don’t care about the bad things he has done. They have a different moral code than everyone else and its pretty fucked.
Right, which is why I think another MAGA would get away with exactly the same stuff
You have to take small victories while understanding the bigger picture. It will still be glorious, although I am saving up cheap 100 proof vodka as the asshat does not deserve good booze or my money in buying said booze. I might add a champagne if it’s less than 20 bucks.
Ok, but what if it really is him? I mean if we’re assigning moral blame then you’re right: many, many people are responsible. But negative outcomes for evil beliefs aren’t a given. What if people are always just this stupid, and it took a certain person with certain traits to bring this out of them? Did people change, or were they just latently stupid but mostly harmless this entire time? Things were going pretty well for a while there, so what if we were teetering on the edge that whole time?
His death might also give some of the smarter fascists an off-ramp, which could reduce their critical mass. I’m NOT saying they deserve an off-ramp, but if it means society starts heading in the right direction again, maybe it’s worth it. We’d all prefer to excise the tumor completely, but sometimes that seems impossible. Remission would still be a blessing.
I guess what I’m saying is, let’s not be too cynical while we’re celebrating this person’s death.