• Taasz/Woof@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    6 hours ago

    Good, that’s how things are supposed to work!

    If a politician is so out of the loop that they have no idea what their own voters want, they should not be in office. Nice to see that work for once since it feels like it rarely does.

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    2 days ago

    Then you shouldn’t have backed it then, should you.

    Why do politicians never seem to understand how the job works until it’s soon late?

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        2 days ago

        “I… I mean free speech. That corporation had so much free speech. No one on the other side demonstrated the same amount of free speech.”

  • BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today
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    2 days ago

    These Parasites have been getting worse and worse for YEARS, and now we’ve reached the point where they aren’t even trying to hide their corruption.

    “You don’t want this Data Center? Well, nobody cares what you want, and they’re paying me bigly, so it’s my entitled right to take that dirty money, and there’s nothing you can do about it, because you’ll STILL vote for me!”

    Hey, wait a second, what was that last thing you said?

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    2 days ago

    “We want to install a great big electronics facility that sucks up all the human drinking water!”. Geez, I wonder why it’s not more popular?

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      2 days ago

      And uses up all the power, making water and power far more expensive, and they’ll use that data center to replace jobs with AI, and surveill us so they can put us in concentration camps.

      We are totally aware of the downsides of the data centers, and also aware that the primary reason they want them is to get even richer at OUR expense.

      The answer is NO! And if you don’t like that answer, we can make it more emphatic in many ways, which the wealthy really don’t want to experience. I suspect that we’ll have to have several examples before they’ll truly understand. Luigi was one. There will be others.

    • Echo Dot@feddit.uk
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      2 days ago

      Because he doesn’t care about that and so he assumed no one else would either. Most politicians are sociopaths and they seem to assume that everyone else is secretly a sociopath as well. Especially on the right.

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        3 days ago

        I wish, oh I wish, I could say it was mine. But I ripped it from elsewhere.

        I ripped it because it was such fucking gold. I had to spread it like chlamydia.

        And you have to spread it, you have to spread it too!

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        3 days ago

        animated T-shirt

        This seems like a harmless 2026 wish that will become everyone’s 2035 Black Mirror nightmare technology, where your clothing - your entire body - is now covered in a nonstop, blinking, endless advertisement space

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          8 hours ago

          Well that was the last episode of the 7th season of Black Mirror. It was called “Common People”

          Not clothing but worse.

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            7 hours ago

            I remember that episode. Not exactly what I’m talking about, and I think it’s different enough that it’s worthwhile exploring in a separate episode. Like Fifteen Million Merits.

            But you get the idea

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              15 Million Merits is about being unable to turn away from the advertisements, the cyclist can’t even close their eyes too long except during sleep.

              The advertising in Common people is literally taking over a person’s body to advertise to the people around them without their knowledge just cutting off their consciousness for a broadcast of a targeted ad.

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                Common people is about having a person’s co-opted, while 15 million merits is about having advertisements involuntarily pushed on a person. I think the idea under discussion here is a fusion of both concepts from opposite perspectives. I’d say it’s worth exploring in its own episode.

                Contemporaneous perspectives have shifted. As they had when each previous episode was written. That’s what’s particularly cool about black mirror. It’s an organic anthology. Previous concepts get revisited as technological terrors evolve (or our ideas of them do).

                Edit: spells & grams

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            3 days ago

            Oooo, now that’s different.

            If tattoos could move… but only a little… like, just a small, subtle motion, it could give them a whole new mystique…

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              I remember reading about a group of researchers many years ago who had developed a subdermal LED screen that could be implanted and ran off of the oxygen in your blood stream via a tiny turbine or something.

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                I remember this. It was like 10 years ago or so. I had a friend of mine in design school who wanted to use it to make a subdermal PipBoy. I convinced him it wouldn’t be worth it because he’d probably be taking antibiotics and anti-rejection meds for the rest of his life. Also, the flight to Japan and the surgery wasn’t in his project budget. Our professor was also skeptical.

                instead, he made an actual PipBoy out of a 3-D printed model and a disused Android phone. It’s was… functional. he made a revised version out of a raspberryPi and an LCD touchscreen. That worked much better. All programmed from scratch using nodeJS libraries. It was pretty impressive for what it was.

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    3 days ago

    They ain’t worth the resources they drain because people keep giving them huge incentives. In Virginia for example they don’t even pay sales tax, pocketing $1.6 billion a year.

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    2 days ago

    The voters told you No, that you couldn’t have that, but you threw a tantrum and insisted on it, so the voters had to give you a time out.

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    I like AI, but reckless placement of a data center is a stupid thing to do. Like any useful structure, such as power plants, it should be placed into a location that is suitable for the task, built to code, won’t harm the community, nor destroy the ecology.

    It is very revealing of politicians when they willfully throw themselves into the Krazy Klown Kar that underpins the elite’s economy.

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    I can’t wait until this legitimate concern over environmental issues meets up with the reality on the ground.

    I work at a DC. We have closed-loop water cooling. We have the same amount of water as a single residential swimming pool in our pipes. It is RO, de-ionized and hyper pure, purchased and brought by a tanker truck. It was filled once, more than a year ago and no more has been “used” since. The toilets use far more water than the servers.

    Other companies DO abuse the environment. We would welcome legislation requiring this practice (and others) to make it a level field. There is no need for any DC to behave badly.

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      What’s the power scale of yours?

      I suspect the big ones use evaporative cooling because they’re trying to build in the gigawatt scale and IIRC there was talk about single racks reaching a megawatt soon, currently they’re ~150 kW.

      The power density of those new nVIdia GPU compute servers is nuts and using evaporative cooling means less energy use than closed loop.

      What I’m saying is, some of those planned datacenters wouldn’t be feasible with closed-loop water cooling. And yes, I agree with you that this should be legislated. If they can’t cool their servers without evaporating a bunch of drinking water, they can… have fewer servers.

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      Data centers can be built in a responsible way, but the big ones aren’t, instead they are built with the dirtiest and most resource consuming means possible because that is the only way to build them as fast as possible.

      Responsibly built data centers of the future should be obliged not only to use closed loop systems but also actually use their huge amounts of heat instead of merely wasting it. Feeding distributed heating systems (or alternative ways of productively using that heat) should be obligatory. I know the situation is not the same as with gas power plants for example but it is incredibly wasteful not to use all that heat for something productive. We are talking about many MW here. For reference, the fairly sizeable waste incinerator plant Spittelau in Vienna has a capacity of 400 MW. There are currently data centers being built in the US with capacities higher than that and absolutely nothing productive is done with the waste heat.

      Strict regulation is needed but not only that. Those gas turbines would be actually already illegal today. Laws are not enforced anymore for the oligarchs in the US. In other countries that nonsense would not fly already today.

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        We are known for building big ones fast. You just need to know how and execute with care an skill. Good people are expensive, and we pay well. So we charge more. And our customers know we hit all of our targets, so they are happy to pay.

        The waste heat is difficult to use as it’s not that hot. We don’t have steam coming off the servers. They have to stay cool, after all. The water is significantly cooler than many domestic water heaters.

        Gas turbines are a fucking nightmare. A move of despair. When our hens are running full bore during tests, we are well under 60dB. Our groundskeeping crew is significantly louder. And modern diesel is nothing like the majority of old trucks on the road today. No odor, no smoke, low-sulfur fuel, etc.

        It can be done responsibly. We do it everyday. But trade secrets and NDAs keep us from speaking outside of anonymous forums like this.

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      Yeah the problems with all these data centers are largely solvable. The power usage part wouldn’t be an issue either if they were also investing in sufficient renewable sources to power these things, but instead when they don’t just dump the burden on whatever is already there they’re always reopening ancient coal plants or setting up gas turbines.

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      But that would cost more money! Then line might go up a little less! Won’t anybody think of the poor investors!