I bet they seen where people were switching to Linux. “Windows 10 Extended Security Updates (ESU) were supposed to end in October, but Microsoft now says the program will end on Oct. 12, 2027.”
Like that is going to bring back those who already switched to Linux… Lol
Did you not read my whole comments , lol??? This is if you have to be on the Windows shit slop.
Should be enough time for hypervisor cracks to work on Linux, already saw on csrin that they are in test.
That shit made me switch to Linux. Now that I crested that learning curve, I ain’t ever going back. Stable Diffusion is 10 to 20% more efficient? Sweet. The only hiccup is with older obscure games. But I shouldn’t be playing games in the first place.
Karma farming isn’t a thing here. You don’t get anywhere by making these virtue or ideology signaling posts.
Microsoft is forced to provide another year of security updates because a series of historic and ongoing colossal fuckups have made it more commercially viable for them to do so than the alternative.
There is no “give” here, they are doing it for themselves, that the user potentially benefits is incidental.
Microsoft is one of the richest companies in the world. They should not have to be forced to do fucking shit, they can afford to provide security updates until the sun explodes or the release a competent OS that isn’t made explicitly to steal your data.
Probably the former.
I meant ‘forced’ as in ’ forced by their capitalist greed and culture ’ not like there’s an actual threat to anything but the quarterly bonuses of the current golden parachute holder.
Eventually, perhaps they’ll fuck up enough for it to be an existential threat to the company.
I’m the meantime they’ll just continue pretending copilot is a serious contender outside of their walled garden and probably lay off a few thousand people they don’t care about, to balance the numbers.
Say more about the reason it’s move viable please.
TL;DR;
Capitalists gonna capitalise,
Fiscal gain is always going to be the reason behind decisions, even if it doesn’t seem like it on the face of it.
Especially microsoft, with it’s history.
I’ll preface this with, this is just my opinion etc…
I say must, should, has to, etc with the conviction of my opinion, not proof of objective fact.
i have some insight into the subject/industry but nothing i’d be willing to verify with anyone, so make of that what you will.
It’s less a specific thing to point to and more of a general “profit driven company is going to make profit driven decisions”, even if perceived altruism was deemed the best fiscal decision, the primary goal is still commercial viability.
A full extra year of security updates requires resources.
Unless they are doing something wildly outside the norms of software development, that means development, testing, deployment, hosting, tooling, marketing/PR, support and more.
There’s both CapEx and OpEx costs to that kind of endeavour.
For a product of any size that’s a non-zero resource cost, for a product the size of windows that’s a big number, perhaps not in the grand scheme, but it’s a non-trivial amount.
That is historically not the kind of thing that microsoft would do/has done just for the altruistic benefit of it’s users.
Feel free to provide examples to the contrary, i’d be pleasantly surprised.
So assuming it’s not altruism that drives this decision, the only other conclusion i could come up with was commercial viability/profit/money.
That might be a failure of imagination on my part.
The projected cost of not doing this must outweigh the projected benefit of going through with it.
Be that in goodwill, user/customer retention, PR, straight up sales or something else, there must be a benefit that outweighs the cost of just dropping support.
I could speculate on specifics but it’d mostly be rehashing the thousands of articles on poor decisions (and poor timing) around the whole win 11 rollout and windows in general.
i don’t mean this from an old man shouts at cloud viewpoint, i don’t particularly care for windows(or microsoft) but I’m not a rabid hater.
Microsoft has some good products that i use regularly, despite their constant and repeated attempts to enshittify all of the end user experiences they can in pursuit of fiscal gain.
That being said, the win 11 rollout has been a shambles on many fronts.
And I’ve given myself an upgrade to the penguin 🐧
This penguin randomly popped up in my mind, lol.
I gave Linux another try lately and went back to Wondows. I already had Fedora all my secondary laptops, but wanted it to be my primary personal+work system.
I purchased a brand new built computer. AMD 9950X AMD Creator B870X with 10Gbe PNY 5080 16GB 128GB DDR5 6400 cls 30
After installing Fedora, almost immediately my wifi wouldn’t work. And both my 1Gbe and 10Gbe would work and randomly disconnect. I was finally able to fix it with drivers that I built and fixes in bootup.
I spent a good week working on this including getting used to a alternative Adobe apps and figuring out how to use Bottles for some of my crucial work app.
While in the middle of me coding for work, the computer experienced a panic. But not a regular panic. Because no matter what I do, the panic wouldn’t record a log. I went as far as building an app to try and capture the panic. No go.
Before you tell me to use Ubuntu or whatever. This problem isn’t a Wayland problem. This happened in Ubuntu as well.
The amount of time spent and work lost and client zoom calls that crash makes it impossible to have Fedora/Linux as a work system. I gave up. Went back to Windows. I’m still using WSL. It’s just that Windows is simply more stable at the moment.
I did install Winhance which eliminated the over-reaching Microsoft problem.
If only nVidia would do what AMD did and have open source kernel drivers, but no, the drivers you need are in a closed source package… same for shame Intel closing their drivers too… it’s like we’re back in the fwcutter days again.
Surprising enough the video drivers was pretty painless. So many people before me already solved the issues. I was able to get 240fps on my monitor when previous attempts have failed.
The main issue was the motherboard. It’s too “new” and I ended up having to build a bunch of drivers to just get my computer to work exactly what Windows provided out the box.
There is so much hate for Windows, but you can’t beat their commitment to stability and backwards compatibility.
Linux has an uphill battle. With how poorly Wayland is performing and the x11 crew not embracing it and how stable Apple and Windows OS is. Linux is not ready. This is coming from a developer POV.
The main issue was the motherboard. It’s too “new” and I ended up having to build a bunch of drivers to just get my computer to work exactly what Windows provided out the box.
Ok… To be fair, the drivers for Windows are probably all third party drivers. HW companies tend not to provide standalone drivers for Linux - either they contribute specs and/or patches that get incorporated to mainline, or do squat and eventually someone will reverse engineer it and create a driver.
There is so much hate for Windows, but you can’t beat their commitment to stability and backwards compatibility.
This isn’t the problem you just described, ftr. Linux often has a delay in supporting the newest hardware, but then supports it well and for a long time. OSS in general is good at that.
For example: my Wacom tablet is no longer officially supported on Windows (by Wacom), while it works out of the box on Linux.
Another example: Windows 11 refuses older hardware - not backwards compatible.
If you are talking about software APIs, that’s a different story. eg. There’s not much point in targeting Linux native APIs for games, because wine usually works better.
Yes for sure I had too new of a system and nobody has figured out the bugs yet. Most of this fault is from the hardware corps.
I think for a high performance late model Linux, this is too bleeding edge for Linux. Without HW support, new hardware simply isn’t ready for production.
Maybe I’ll wait a year or so and try again. Hopefully they work out the kinks.
That sucks, sorry to hear that
Thanks man. Windows get a bad rap and I bitch about it all the time, esp with what they are doing now with their copilot and shit. But at the end of the day, their shit works. Poorly, but works. And in my line of work, stability is the key metric.
If you had started on Linux, you’d have stability due to familiarity.
Moving to something unfamiliar is HARD. Since I’m the nerd in the friend group, I’m sometimes tasked to address issues.
Helping someone with a Windows 11 issue was hard, because all of the familiar tools I used in Windows 7 (the last version I spent a bunch of time on) had been moved or looked completely different. I was lost for a bit. I knew what the problem was, but I couldn’t figure out how to get to the tool to troubleshoot and fix.
If you decide to try again, take it slow, and figure out how to fix issues as they arise. Once you become familiar, things get easier, I promise.
Maybe you’re right. My main GUI has always been Windows and I’m used to having apps that is more mainstream.
But maybe it’s not just that I’m not familiar with Fedora.
I am a developer with Linux racks at home. So I’m not unfamiliar with Linux. I’m quite familiar with CLI.
I think the main point I’m making is that my system was crashing too much due to poor HW drivers. Even tho it’s really not the fault of Linux, it’s just too buggy to be running in production. At least the GUI isn’t ready. My Linux servers had been bulletproof.
I can assure you my UI is stable. But only because I’m familiar with how to make it that way. Sometimes I break things because I like to learn how to fix them (I did that on Windows too).
I agree with you, Linux servers are amazing. I have a NUC here running a bunch of services. I use Gentoo because it gives me a ton of flexibility to wander into unusual territories easily.
Best to you!
As to you too!!!
They are releasing more than just security updates, too. I’ve got two machines in the program and, while small, I have seen UI changes a couple times since ESU started. They aren’t useful or anything, but they definitely aren’t “security” updates.
