• Zephorah@discuss.online
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    1 day ago

    Please. No Democrat is building this. There was a large, well funded team working on P25 from 2020 on, like it was a full time job.

    Where’s the Dem equivalent of that? Who is top candidate? Where’s the party?

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      10 hours ago

      I used to work a small job at a big name liberal/progressive(ish) think tank during the ‘08 election. These organizations are filled with thought leaders who are usually brought into administrations at high levels. They have constantly been creating plans to implement progressive changes. They had plans in ‘08. If it weren’t for McConnell & the bank bailouts we would have gotten much more than DACA and the ACA out of Obama’s presidency. HRC had so many very good policy plans that were ready to go if elected that were visible on her website. No swing voter elected Trump for project 2025. What made project 2025 so successful was Trump’s willingness to blast through every guardrail and Congressional republicans unwilling to protect their power.

      TLDR: Project 2029 broadly exists. It will be implemented if Dems have congressional power.

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        6 hours ago

        I’m not saying don’t vote Dem. I’m saying expect more, like AOC, Mamdani, and Sanders. Old guys can work, if they’re lifelong dedicated to working class, like sanders.

        We need the next FDR here. Full middle class subsidization and fuck the robber barons.

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      Look man I wanna respond in a productive way but between you acting like the ludicrous way the USA funds education is a mystery to solve and how you appear to think Trump’s P2025 team is some irreplicable feat of competence… I just feel like you’re not participating in this conversation in a way that I can meaningfully converse with you.

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        18 hours ago

        The P25 team is good at one thing: getting things done. Bad things, but they’re not sitting still. The entrenched Dems are not known for “doing”. Unless people get out there and oust some of these Dems, AOC style, I don’t think it’s realistic to expect much beyond their usual. Jeffries is even on Theil’s secret society membership list.

        I read, daily, looking for those bright sparks, and I’m not seeing any more Mamdani’s grabbing crowd attention, do you? The latest Dem to grab anyone’s attention is Platner.

        Who are they? Where are they?

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          18 hours ago

          The P25 team is good at one thing: getting things done.

          They’re good at punching down. Lets not give them too much credit here.

          The entrenched Dems are the problem. Americans keep giving incumbent dems a free pass on primaries. This directly incentivizes them to appeal to conservative voters and causes them to shift further right every election cycle.

          oust some of these Dems, AOC style

          I’m not seeing any more Mamdani’s grabbing crowd attention, do you?

          Have you seen the documentary on how AOC got elected? here it is on youtube

          I’m not from the US, so I can’t attest to if this is happening or not. But I do believe that the people who will replace establishment Dems and fix the USA are people we haven’t heard of yet. I’m not expecting a political greenhorn to win the US presidency or a state governorship, but I do think congress, the lower house, should comprise of people who relate more to Americans than the political class.

          In a nutshell, I think The American People need to rescue themselves. Which unfortunately necessitates things getting worse enough that people care enough. Which direction people go from there though remains to be seen.

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            That’s why I mentioned AOC. She did what we need to do en masse. Granted, most of us saying that won’t be trying it ourselves so it’s a bit weak, putting words where you’re unwilling to put personal action. Myself included.