We are decentralized, according to FediDB, the Fediverse has 14.2 million accounts. Lemmy+Piefed+Mbin have 551k users. Obviously we could be better spread out, but the fact that there’s no instance at 50% share is already pretty nice.
And if a big instance enshittified, it would be drastically easier for everyone to leave it compared to convincing people to leave Reddit or something. You just export/import your user settings and you get to keep the communities you’ve subscribed to and block, and the users you’ve blocked.
No, it isn’t. People will refuse to leave, just as we’ve seen with FB, Reddit, etc. Lemmy.world has already enshitified from where it started, and from the position of nearly every other instance, yet people like you are still there. That’s proof against your argument.
Except in this there’s really not a lot of benefit when it comes to centralization so it would be better to decentralize to make sure no single instance becomes too big. I’d say world is already a bit too big because 90% of my subscribed feeds would be gone if world no longer federated with Piefed. World has significant sway on our side of the fediverse because smaller instances will probably feel dead (or turn into an echo chamber) if world won’t federate with them.
the instance I was on straight up, said that it was shutting down, and that we should migrate to other instances. I did that and dropped the other account so I have no fucking clue what’s going on over there.
Are you sure it was not lemm.ee? That one shut down like a year ago. Other smaller instances have likewise shut down since. But Lemmy.ml is one of the oldest instances and extremely unlikely to ever be shut down.
.ml has a lot of pro-Russia, pro-China types and criticism of either country can lead to a quick ban.
Functionally, there is no difference. Both run the same software, tho the versions may slightly differ as the devs, who run .ml, push updates.
For a functionally different experience try Mbin/Kbin (I forget which is the current), or Piefed. Piefed is similar to Lemmy with some quality of life improvements. Kbin/Mbin is a cross between “tweet” style posts, “blog” style posts like tumblr, and Reddit type posts.
Ok, I get it that there are pro-China guys, plenty of Russian regime fans around as well. But the thing that really caught me by surprise is that there are seriously people entirely serious about how North Korea is heaven earth.
From my experience, people in .world are way more open to positive discussion than .ml. Everything upsets .ml if you say the wrong thing or dont post the right way, to make them understand. Its to much fucking drama for no reason.
.world is doing its best to replicate every bad thing about reddit (starting with powermods) while avoiding every positive aspect it might have once had. I’m sure its admins have constant wet dreams about the day they can go public and sell it for parts.
.ml is trying to pretend it’s not lemmygrad by putting on glasses with a fake nose and a moustache.
Both are toxic and harmful to the fediverse.
Similar things can be said of most other “big” instances to a lesser extent (including the one I’m in, but I’m too lazy to move out for a third time).
Frankly, the only instance I’d trust to not be politically compromised is fedinsfw, and I already got bit once by lemmynsfw’s incompetent management (when they lost control of it to a rogue admin and it closed for months), so I’m not going back there.
Next time I have to move I’ll be rolling my own private instance, or quitting altogether.
You might try one of the .zips. Very competent admins who defederate from next to nothing, leaving the choice up to the user (mainly as opt-in blocks, with just ~3 opt-out ones iirc).
If you roll your own though then probably PieFed/PyLova would be much easier than Lemmy to deploy and manage.
Regardless of how the most controversial communities on Lemmy.world decide to be, it’s good to spread out and decentralize.
ML was run by the Lemmy frontend maintainers who drain the blood of puppies for sustenance and wish to kill you slowly and painfully as a source of income.
All those users are from different instances. That’s decentralized.
If this community goes down or is otherwise not viable anymore, users can easily find another, similar community, while not having to switch to a different platform or instance or whatever themselves. That’s how this is supposed to work.
Decentralization with different larger communities on different instances, with community members from all kinds of different instances, baby!
Settings -> scroll down to Import/Export Settings, click the Export button, repeat with Import in the new account, works even across Lemmy -> PieFed or PyLova.
You can, it’s easy and quick. I just exported my profile settings (builtin to the default lemmy.world web UI) to a json file in a couple seconds. Confirmed it contains blocked users and communities.
How are you so unable to use your brain?
The function and idea of decentralisation isn’t to evenly distribute users across every instance, some instances being much larger than others is and extremely obvious thing.
Decentralized networks with large centralized communities is the best approach. You have to have that number of people to have interesting conversations and engagement.
But if all the users are spread out across several instances it becomes more resilient. If a large community/instance goes offline or there’s a controversy then it can be migrated to a new instance
I vaguely know what an instance is, but let me see if I can get this straight.
So an instance in the Fediverse is a website hosted either on a web hosting service, right? So it’s like if I wanted to start one, it’d be similar to starting an old fashion forum like phpBB? I’d buy a domain, get a webhosting service, and install the software?
And the communities are analogous to sub forums? Except instead of me creating them, the users on my forum would create them?
Isn’t the idea to decentralize?
We are decentralized, according to FediDB, the Fediverse has 14.2 million accounts. Lemmy+Piefed+Mbin have 551k users. Obviously we could be better spread out, but the fact that there’s no instance at 50% share is already pretty nice.
And if a big instance enshittified, it would be drastically easier for everyone to leave it compared to convincing people to leave Reddit or something. You just export/import your user settings and you get to keep the communities you’ve subscribed to and block, and the users you’ve blocked.
Lemmy.world has enshitified. People still won’t leave. We should be encouraging migration, not saying “it’s good enough.”
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Good thing no one is over 50% then?
Re-read, bud.
Learn to read.
No. The idea is to have the constant looming threat of decentralization to keep the centralized system in check.
No, it isn’t. People will refuse to leave, just as we’ve seen with FB, Reddit, etc. Lemmy.world has already enshitified from where it started, and from the position of nearly every other instance, yet people like you are still there. That’s proof against your argument.
I haven’t noticed it getting worse. 🤷
Mutually assured enshittification
Except in this there’s really not a lot of benefit when it comes to centralization so it would be better to decentralize to make sure no single instance becomes too big. I’d say world is already a bit too big because 90% of my subscribed feeds would be gone if world no longer federated with Piefed. World has significant sway on our side of the fediverse because smaller instances will probably feel dead (or turn into an echo chamber) if world won’t federate with them.
I came here after lemmy.ml said it was shutting down. Idk what happened a with that but world seemed stable enough to not have that problem
.ml shutting down? That’s the devs server unlikely it will shut down unless for maintenence
the instance I was on straight up, said that it was shutting down, and that we should migrate to other instances. I did that and dropped the other account so I have no fucking clue what’s going on over there.
Are you sure it was not lemm.ee? That one shut down like a year ago. Other smaller instances have likewise shut down since. But Lemmy.ml is one of the oldest instances and extremely unlikely to ever be shut down.
Must have been another instance. Lemmy.ml is not shutting down.
actual question: How is Lemmy.ml functionally different than Lemmy.world?
.ml has a lot of pro-Russia, pro-China types and criticism of either country can lead to a quick ban.
Functionally, there is no difference. Both run the same software, tho the versions may slightly differ as the devs, who run .ml, push updates.
For a functionally different experience try Mbin/Kbin (I forget which is the current), or Piefed. Piefed is similar to Lemmy with some quality of life improvements. Kbin/Mbin is a cross between “tweet” style posts, “blog” style posts like tumblr, and Reddit type posts.
Ok, I get it that there are pro-China guys, plenty of Russian regime fans around as well. But the thing that really caught me by surprise is that there are seriously people entirely serious about how North Korea is heaven earth.
Can’t enshittify if you have no services in the first place
From my experience, people in .world are way more open to positive discussion than .ml. Everything upsets .ml if you say the wrong thing or dont post the right way, to make them understand. Its to much fucking drama for no reason.
No that’s stupid and you’re stupid but Lenin is cool
.world is doing its best to replicate every bad thing about reddit (starting with powermods) while avoiding every positive aspect it might have once had. I’m sure its admins have constant wet dreams about the day they can go public and sell it for parts.
.ml is trying to pretend it’s not lemmygrad by putting on glasses with a fake nose and a moustache.
Both are toxic and harmful to the fediverse.
Similar things can be said of most other “big” instances to a lesser extent (including the one I’m in, but I’m too lazy to move out for a third time).
Frankly, the only instance I’d trust to not be politically compromised is fedinsfw, and I already got bit once by lemmynsfw’s incompetent management (when they lost control of it to a rogue admin and it closed for months), so I’m not going back there.
Next time I have to move I’ll be rolling my own private instance, or quitting altogether.
You might try one of the .zips. Very competent admins who defederate from next to nothing, leaving the choice up to the user (mainly as opt-in blocks, with just ~3 opt-out ones iirc).
If you roll your own though then probably PieFed/PyLova would be much easier than Lemmy to deploy and manage.
Regardless of how the most controversial communities on Lemmy.world decide to be, it’s good to spread out and decentralize.
You speak the true true as evident by looking at the mod logs
ML was run by the Lemmy frontend maintainers who drain the blood of puppies for sustenance and wish to kill you slowly and painfully as a source of income.
All those users are from different instances. That’s decentralized.
If this community goes down or is otherwise not viable anymore, users can easily find another, similar community, while not having to switch to a different platform or instance or whatever themselves. That’s how this is supposed to work.
Decentralization with different larger communities on different instances, with community members from all kinds of different instances, baby!
It only works if you can bring your block list with you. That’s the only thing of value attached to my profile.
Settings -> scroll down to Import/Export Settings, click the Export button, repeat with Import in the new account, works even across Lemmy -> PieFed or PyLova.
You can, it’s easy and quick. I just exported my profile settings (builtin to the default lemmy.world web UI) to a json file in a couple seconds. Confirmed it contains blocked users and communities.
Well thank god for that!
Precisely! What’s the point of an overpopulated instance? It’s more likely to affect users because of blanket instance blocklists.
I’m part of discuss.tchncs.de, more or less by accident. I just stumbled across that one when I wanted to make an account.
How are you so unable to use your brain?
The function and idea of decentralisation isn’t to evenly distribute users across every instance, some instances being much larger than others is and extremely obvious thing.
For real, do they want the Fediverse to turn into a shitshow like email?
it’s almost inevitable, no one cares about decentralisation
Decentralized networks with large centralized communities is the best approach. You have to have that number of people to have interesting conversations and engagement.
But if all the users are spread out across several instances it becomes more resilient. If a large community/instance goes offline or there’s a controversy then it can be migrated to a new instance
I vaguely know what an instance is, but let me see if I can get this straight.
So an instance in the Fediverse is a website hosted either on a web hosting service, right? So it’s like if I wanted to start one, it’d be similar to starting an old fashion forum like phpBB? I’d buy a domain, get a webhosting service, and install the software?
And the communities are analogous to sub forums? Except instead of me creating them, the users on my forum would create them?
Yep that’s basically it
I might start one then. I ran a couple of forums back in the 2000s. They were more barren than the Saharan desert, but I did it.
It’s good to have it as an option but most people are frustrated if they can’t just go to one place that has tons of people.