My husband, son, and I have been locked up for months—despite being permanent residents with no criminal record. It is an unendurable, unending nightmare.

My husband, son, and I have been locked up for months—despite being permanent residents with no criminal record. It is an unendurable, unending nightmare.

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    • AbsolutelyNotAVelociraptor@piefed.socialEnglish
      176·
      2 days ago

      Yes, that’s indeed factually inaccurate. 30% voted actively for this, another 30% decided they didn’t care enough about this to vote against so decided they were ok with whatever the results of the elections, so it’s actually around 60%.

      • Pennywise@quokk.auEnglish
        92·
        2 days ago

        “They didn’t oppose X, therefore they accepted X, therefore they supported X.”

        An argument from silence combined with false equivalence (or invalid inference) does get you -fallaciously! - from non-opposition to support.

        “She didn’t say no. I didn’t rape her. She wanted it! She begged for it.”

        • Brave Little Hitachi Wand@feddit.ukEnglish
          7·
          1 day ago

          The reality is far more complex than a straight extrapolation of broad attitudes from an election. Elections have so many more situational factors (not to mention the effects of propaganda and corporate media, and a complicit duopoly limiting voter expression, suppressed turnout, etc).

          If you want to know broad opinions, look at opinion polls, not to get too crazy but try it! ICE was citing some 2024 polls in support of their genocidal aims, but polls now show only 3 in 10 adults approve of ICE actions - and I personally assume those 3 include a not insignificant number of people who have avoided a frank look at the reality of what’s happening and only get their updates from right wing media.

          The actual number of Americans who support this evil with open eyes are probably much lower than 30-40%, if we’re being at all charitable with our guesswork and interpretations. The scarier truth of that is how few true believers it takes for a committed propaganda campaign to subvert the will of the general populace.

          • Pennywise@quokk.auEnglish
            3·
            24 hours ago

            I’d personally distinguish “support” from “indifference, ignorance, resignation, partisan loyalty, and prioritization of other issues.” That’s actually central to your argument. If 30% approve of something, that doesn’t mean 30% are committed ideological supporters willing to defend every aspect of it. Political polling is not a census of people’s souls.

            Links to the specific polls vaguely referenced would also be helpful.

      • Brave Little Hitachi Wand@feddit.ukEnglish
        2·
        1 day ago

        It’s a size issue. If a groundswell of citizens in e.g. New Zealand wanted to overthrow their government, they could try. In the US, it would take insane numbers and a lot more logistical support than is generally realistic.