• givesomefucks@lemmy.world
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    3 days ago

    Buddy…

    No one is defending capitalism either

    You’re very passionate about this, but you’re not understanding anything.

    For fucks sake, I’m saying that the government should hold the means of production, not unions like what was suggested.

    That is communism, I’m literally saying we should do communism

    I’m just saying if we don’t do it right, it’s not going to solve anything and we’ll end up exactly where we are today, with all the problems and all the wealth inequality.

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      3 days ago

      Point taken. I would prefer a government body representative of workers should collectively have power over the means production, over anything else. It seems we’re on the same page about communism being the eventual goal. I misinterpreted your comments to be supportive of the status quo, as I didn’t know what frame you were arguing from.

      Sorry if I came off as antagonistic to your point. I still remain sad about where unions have ended up, and I think it critical to win them back. To your point, not to give them control, but to once again bring them back to their rightful orientation.

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        3 days ago

        Which comes full circle to the headline…

        The solution isnt giving union leaders more power.

        The solution is electing decent politicians who know what life is like for average Americans.

        Something that we’ve made huge strides to in the last year and a half.

        What needs to happen, is happening.

        If a progressive becomes president in 2029, and we’ve got the best shot since FDR, then they name the new DNC chair.

        Literally the only thing that can stop us, is if people get tricked into not supporting the Dem party right now. Because if a Dem doesn’t win the next presidential, that means the ~420 voting members of the DNC get to pick again.

        There’s a slim chance they go back to neoliberalism again, and then we’re fucked and really need a third party again.

        So we need to make sure we don’t even give them a chance, we need to get a progressive in the White House while we can.

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          3 days ago

          Well, this is assuming we’re not facing massive voter suppression and tampering in November. Which at that point, we need to organize into a scorched earth movement of general strikes, to bring the oligarchs to their knees.

          I don’t want to say too much about that would look like here.

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            3 days ago

            On my soap box…

            Waiting to go to the ballot box…

            But this is America and there’s a couple other boxes.

            It is what it is. But yeah, people need to understand options