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I’m getting so tired of reading fucking “that should terrify you!” In headlines. We are all sufficiently fucking terrified shut the fuck up.
Just that type of headline that tells you how you should feel period. Thank you headline, I’m now annoyed. It’s never any other emotion youre trying to force on me, just irritation or rage. That and the whole ‘read that again’. Fuck off.
Exactly. Just give me the fucking facts and I’ll decide how I feel about it.
This is proof that you should never bend the knee or try to appease that facist state. Polestar moved production to the US and still got banned. They don’t believe in non-zero sum economics, you will always be the loser even when both party’s could win.
Start selling Volvo’s newest model… The Volvo Polestar
Yep, time to rebadge.
Being an American wanting an electric car must be a nightmare!
Not many options, and all of them are too expensive, because competition is stifled by keeping competition out with insane tariffs.In Europe we are spoiled with choice, lots of European brands with lots of models, and we even have American although we don’t want them, but we also have Chinese although they do have an EU import tax, to compensate for the Chinese subsidies.
But several Chinese brands are becoming quite popular, especially BYD and XPeng have become popular here in Denmark.
Slate Auto.
So close…
AFAIK Slate auto is a cheap piece of crap. But AFAIK it’s not available yet, so we don’t really know.
In Denmark we have 16 car models available below $25k USD. None of them as ugly as the Slate.
It’s gets better. Even if you find an EV, the states tax you more than an ICE car. Texas has a $200 yearly fee to supposedly make up for lost gas tax revenue. But at 20c/gallon and assuming 30mpg, I’d have to drive 30,000 miles to offset that cost (only drove about 8,500 miles per year).
And now they want to do the same at the Federal level with another $150 tax (federal taxes are 18c/gallon), which would be another 25,000 miles.
So I would be taxed $350/year to offset “gas tax losses”, which would only even out for me if I were to drive 55,000 miles in a year.
I heard about that, and that’s crazy. You gotta love all that freedom. 🤥
I don’t drive nearly that much either.
I understand the logic of the tax on gas to pay for roads, but here an EV is taxed less because it pollutes less. USA needs more of that.Realistically we should be taxing by weight and miles driven as the former causes the most damage to the roads. At that point the propulsion type and efficiency don’t really matter. EVs actually would be taxed more given that they’re heavier, but it’d also proportionately tax trucks and larger vehicles correctly at that point.
You could easily implement it with a yearly odometer reading with your registration or inspection and every car has a GVWR registered with it.
Yes that would be fair, but IMO there should be an environment tax on gas.
How about just metering charging infrastructure and taxing by the kilowatt hr? Power consumed is directly proportional to the weight, distance, and rate of travel. A simple mandate that all home charging stations have to have a wireless or remote-readable meter attached, and all public fast-chargers are taxed by KWh. Easy, simple, and nearly frictionless.
No, that doesn’t work. You can charge anywhere.
If you watch that “Technology Connections” video that keeps going around Lemmy, you should not waste your money on a home charging station
- technically you can charge at a standard outlet. It works for some people
- I also have adapters for tool outlets, dryer outlets, rv outlets (a dryer outlet could charge as quickly as the charging stations where I work)
A home charging station is just a convenience. A really nice convenience that I highly recommend, but unnecessary
Power consumed is directly proportional to the weight, distance, and rate of travel
And if we’re trying to be fair, that’s really not true either. There’s a wide range of efficiencies for different vehicles. On the extreme end, if Aptera succeeds, those drivers would pay nothing. More importantly, this also gives them another opportunity to charge unfairly to defend ICE vehicles
Simple weight and miles, regardless of technology and efficiency, and recorded at annual inspection or purchase/sale - ideally also keep the gas tax to help pay for its impact on the environment
As far as the variety of efficiencies, I don’t see that as a downside. That just incentivizes higher efficiency systems if you assume the median efficiency for tax purposes.
That said you do make a valid point about non-standard charging set ups. I’m not entirely opposed to the odometer method, I just find most proposals for implementing it a barrier to adoption.
It’s already illegal to modify the odometer and many states have annual safety inspections where they could record such things
The strongest arguments against smreridinf the odometer are surveillance and safety react, but if you’re only recording it once a year or when sold, then you’re not losing privacy
Yeah, it’s extremely frustrating here. The EV market actively sucks with limited options and inflated prices. I also bought a used Polestar 2 last year, so now I’m extra frustrated.
My guess, however, is that PS just didn’t care to deal with obtaining the waiver- the brand has sold poorly here in the US and they’ve been posturing to exit the market for a few years.
For some reason Polestar doesn’t seem to be doing as well as it deserves in many markets.
I hope you can have yours maintained as long as is required even if they leave the market.It was a runner up when we bought our EV.
If they’re priced the same as the US models, it’s little wonder they’re not selling well. MSRP for the P2 was ~70k USD which is a non-starter for most folks.
I got mine used at 4 years old with 74k miles on it (fortunately EVs generally tend to last towards 200k miles barring any other issues) for 20k, it’s the only reason I could afford to buy it. Otherwise I was probably going to go with an ID.4 which was at a similar price point. What did you end up going with?
The price point for electric cars in America is 25-30k. 70K is mentally ill
The price point for electric cars in America is 25-30k. 70K is mentally ill
Chevy Bolt MSRP is $28,995.
Tesla model 3 starts at $38k now. Somehow teslas went from being expensive vehicles to one of the more affordable EVs and no one noticed.
Lol, i’d rather ride one of my mopeds than own a Tesla
Its a rolling spy vehicle from China and Russia. Hard pass
you’re implying every vehicle produced today isnt a spy vehicle, which is just plainly incorrect.
By 2030, new US cars will have AI detect if youre drunk,and if it think youre drunk (or simply fails) you will be without a car. Congrats.
Citation needed
Prove me wrong.
