• Deep@sh.itjust.works
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    3 days ago

    Nothing will change. This won’t get passed. It’ll all get brushed under the rug and the Democrats will keep the status quo as usual

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          2 days ago

          Voting them out is Plan B. Plan A is lobbying them (e.g. calls, emails) because it’s so much easier than Plan B. Sure, if they keep ignoring you, by all means, vote their asses out, but that is a task that is so much bigger than simply calling their office.

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              You’re delusional if you think plan A has a chance of working on someone like Fetterman.

              You’re the one who brought up Fetterman. If you want to run against him, go for it.

              Most of our politicians are beholden to big money, not the people.

              Okay, so then they can be replaced. Which part of what I said do you disagree with? If people can’t be bothered to make calls, then they sure as fuck can’t run a campaign. Because guess what you do in a campaign? A lot of fucking phone calls!

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    3 days ago

    If the Democrats were willing to negotiate at all, this would be an excellent starting point. Sadly, they’re going to stomp their feet and hold their breath until the whole thing gets scrapped and we’re back where we started. Part of me wonders if that isn’t the point.

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    3 days ago

    I’m not necessarily in favor of data centers. That said, every time I see something like this I just wonder when we are going to start hearing about data centers being built in poor countries powered exclusively by coal and zero regulation. I really have no idea what a good outcome looks like but playing ultra hardball seems unwise. I’m very poorly educated on data centers and AI in general. But, I am an expert in electrical generation. I know we could do it pretty clean, at least relative to coal/heavy oil. I don’t think stopping data centers built in the US will magically cease the boulder rolling in the AI direction. Seems like the money is at its back so its going to happen, just a matter of when, where and how dirty.

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      3 days ago

      It’s pretty easy to regulate this:

      • Closed loop cooling
      • grid upgrade built into design plans, paid for by the datacenter.
      • cleaner power generation
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        I’d say your list is a bit too short. Some more considerations (not comprehensive):

        • Construction noise and seismic limits (nearby neighborhoods have been disturbed and experienced damage from blasting operations)
        • Operating noise limits (ban on-site gas turbine generation, limit noise levels from cooling towers)
        • Limit light pollution

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        • Job protections and guarantees for workers displaced by automation
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          3 days ago

          Datacenters aren’t responsible for workers displaced by automation.

          Construction and noise aren’t special to datacenters and don’t need special regulation.

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            3 days ago

            On this particular topic, the more red tape the better. These companies are shady and will find any loophole available to circumvent any protection the current laws are meant to provide.

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              3 days ago

              That’s how you end up getting republicans elected into local office: by putting up unnecessary or complicated barriers.

              Additionally, I believe we’ll be in a really bad situation in the next 10-25 years in regards to access to advanced CPUs. The more we onboard now the more we’ll have later.

              It’s also a concern of national security if we put up enough barriers that people and companies put their resources in datacenters in other countries that can’t defend them against attack.

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                  3 days ago

                  I try to be realistic. I dream of having every thing perfect to my liking but then I look at my neighbors and understand that we have to live together somehow.

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      3 days ago

      Seems like the money is at its back so its going to happen,

      Well, there’s certainly a lot of money being spent to make you believe this. I’m not buying it. Every day, dislike of AI grows. Meanwhile, AI companies still aren’t turning a profit. If the AI companies win, they’ll be in control of a public utility that many businesses will need to survive.