Chinese open-weight AI models offer high capability at significantly lower costs than U.S. frontier systems, but face monetization and compute challenges, experts said at a Rest of World event in San Francisco.
Open-weight is not the point in the AI race so this comparison doesn‘t tell us anything about who‘s leading in whatever metrics they‘re testing right now.
I wish models had to disclose their training sets so IP holders can sue for damages. Those would get into the trillions no doubt. Hell I wish LLMs never got this much out of hand. But I don‘t understand what they‘re getting at with this or why make it a „China VS the West“ thing.
Open weight AI absolutely matters if the question is who gets to shape the AI ecosystem. A slightly better closed model wins a benchmark: a good open model can be adapted, audited and run without paying a Silicon Valley landlord. And yes, training data transparency should apply to both Chinese and Western labs. That’s not a contradiction: it’s the point. Still: FOSAI » OWAI » ClosedAI
I‘m not sure what gets to shape the AI ecosystem in the long run and I doubt anyone does but open-weights probably isn‘t it right now considering everyone uses either Claude orChatGPT. I don‘t think open-weights matters all that much in the AI race right now given that the models lack behind. Seems like an artificial race to me anyway. I think its really about building more and more of these shitty data centers everywhere because they will find use cases for them after the AI fad is over.
Because then Western AI companies can go to the governments, point to China and say: “see how advanced they are? See how they can apply that to the economy and military? You’d better give us money and not try to regulate us.”
Just to clarify: This is about western open-weight models being weak not closed models that are objectively more capable than anything open-weight. It‘s like saying China dominates Formula 2 racing when the rest of the world is focused in Formula 1.
You’d better give us money and not try to regulate us.
Actually, right now, the western AI companies desperately want regulation.
An unregulated environment is one where they’re forced to compete on price against the Chinese companies and startups running open-weight models. All signs point to them losing that battle.
OpenAI/Anthropic’s wish list right now is a bunch of regulation to prevent the use of foreign models, and to require expensive to implement “safety” requirements that make it hard for startups to compete.
Yes, that’s a different kind of regulation than the one I was thinking about. They do want market/economic regulation (i.e. ban Chinese model use) but not law/justice regulation (our AI made an oopsie, sorry, not our fault).
Open-weight is not the point in the AI race so this comparison doesn‘t tell us anything about who‘s leading in whatever metrics they‘re testing right now.
I wish models had to disclose their training sets so IP holders can sue for damages. Those would get into the trillions no doubt. Hell I wish LLMs never got this much out of hand. But I don‘t understand what they‘re getting at with this or why make it a „China VS the West“ thing.
Open weight AI absolutely matters if the question is who gets to shape the AI ecosystem. A slightly better closed model wins a benchmark: a good open model can be adapted, audited and run without paying a Silicon Valley landlord. And yes, training data transparency should apply to both Chinese and Western labs. That’s not a contradiction: it’s the point. Still: FOSAI » OWAI » ClosedAI
I‘m not sure what gets to shape the AI ecosystem in the long run and I doubt anyone does but open-weights probably isn‘t it right now considering everyone uses either Claude orChatGPT. I don‘t think open-weights matters all that much in the AI race right now given that the models lack behind. Seems like an artificial race to me anyway. I think its really about building more and more of these shitty data centers everywhere because they will find use cases for them after the AI fad is over.
Who is »everyone«?
Who owns the compute? The models are irrelevant without the hardware. Leaving you stuck in corpo land.
You. Smaller models are getting more and more capable.
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I’m running a 4090 and barely run 32b and it isn’t half as good as what’s out there on the free tier.
Non starter for 99.9% of the population.
It’s already a starter for SMEs.
Because then Western AI companies can go to the governments, point to China and say: “see how advanced they are? See how they can apply that to the economy and military? You’d better give us money and not try to regulate us.”
That is the whole story.
Just to clarify: This is about western open-weight models being weak not closed models that are objectively more capable than anything open-weight. It‘s like saying China dominates Formula 2 racing when the rest of the world is focused in Formula 1.
Actually, right now, the western AI companies desperately want regulation.
An unregulated environment is one where they’re forced to compete on price against the Chinese companies and startups running open-weight models. All signs point to them losing that battle.
OpenAI/Anthropic’s wish list right now is a bunch of regulation to prevent the use of foreign models, and to require expensive to implement “safety” requirements that make it hard for startups to compete.
Yes, that’s a different kind of regulation than the one I was thinking about. They do want market/economic regulation (i.e. ban Chinese model use) but not law/justice regulation (our AI made an oopsie, sorry, not our fault).