I’m okay with using AI to find child abuse as long as we have human verification at the end. It’s more of a privacy issue for me, like how google runs their detection models in private drives and then autobans, very easy to get false positives I imagine.
They mostly are interchangeable for most people but almost none of the llm weights are properly open source.
They don’t always give the training scripts and never the actual data so it isn’t reproducible. The data isn’t really feasible to give. A lot of them release papers at the same time where they explain the training with snippets and how it works, but it’s not the same as receiving a script.
That being said, some get really upset and stress the distinction but it’s a bit silly imo. If it’s free and easily fine tunable, I don’t really see the issue of calling it open source. Giving the data for it would open them up to lawsuits from the copyright mafia and wouldn’t bring much to the table. Training these models is completely out of reach for individual and small to medium sized organisations.
Training a small model was more than a million dollars in compute a year or two ago.
I’d just start looking up rape statistics about priests and start screaming them out. Captive audience goes both ways and the staff will force both to shut the fuck up I imagine if it devolves into a screaming match.
Full text since there isn’t a summary:
One missing underscore in a Skyrim-themed username put an innocent Nova Scotia man in prison for 18 months.
A 2018 child-luring investigation, which began in Madison, Wisconsin, and eventually extended to Halifax, Canada, was based on a false premise.
Police were looking for a man using the Kik messaging service under the name “fus__ro_dah” (two underscores after “fus”), but they accidentally requested records for the username “fus_ro_dah” (one underscore after “fus”). This one-character difference led them not to the perpetrator but to a Canadian man named Brandon Klayme.
(Ars readers may recognize “fus ro dah” as the Unrelenting Force “dragon shout” from The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim.)
Despite finding no evidence of the crime on his digital devices, Canadian police arrested Klayme in 2020 on child sex abuse charges. He was convicted after a trial in 2023 and sentenced in 2024 to 18 months in prison. He served the full term.
Even after release, Klayme continued to fight his conviction. In the process of preparing his appeal, the username mistake that led to all these years of disruption was finally discovered. On Thursday, the Nova Scotia Court of Appeal overturned Klayme’s conviction, writing: “Mr. Klayme is factually innocent of the offences. He should never have been charged, let alone convicted.” One underscore
The case began in 2018. From August through December of that year, a 12-year-old Wisconsin girl communicated with an adult male through the Kik messaging service. During a check of the girl’s phone, her mother found an “inappropriate” photo of the male and called local police.
The Dane County Sheriff’s Department responded. A deputy took the phone, and the department ran a forensic search on it. The report identified 125 Kik messages between the girl and an adult with the username “fus__ro_dah” (two underscores after “fus”).
To identify this person, the cops contacted Kik, but their subpoena accidentally requested information about the Kik user “fus_ro_dah” (one underscore after “fus”). Kik provided Klayme’s email address in response.
Google records showed that this email address was used to access Google services from an IP address in Canada, so the Dane County investigators turned the case over to Halifax Regional Police. Halifax police took the IP address they had been given to local Internet provider Bell Aliant. Bell connected the IP address to the physical address of their subscriber, Brandon Klayme.
The cops then obtained a search warrant for Klayme’s residence and took phones and laptops from his bedroom. Searching these devices produced no evidence relevant to the case. Nothing linked Klayme to the girl. No intimate images were found. Klayme did have a Kik account, but cops couldn’t even show that he had accessed the service during the period in question.
Still, Klayme was arrested and hit with three charges:
Luring a person under 14 years of age by means of telecommunication
Providing sexually explicit material to a child
Possession of child pornography
The case went to trial, where Klayme was found guilty. He then went to prison for 18 months. No one involved, even on the defense side, appears to have noticed the username confusion. The appeal
Klayme continued to press his appeal, but only late in the process did his team figure out what had happened. Here’s how Klayme himself describes the discovery:
In the latter stages of preparing my appeal arguments, it was discovered that the subpoena contained a subtle mistake that changed the course of my life. Instead of requesting details for the username “fus__ro_dah”, the subpoena requested details for the username “fus_ro_dah”. The police officer did not notice that the perpetrator’s Kik username “fus__ro_dah” contains a double underscore. This discrepancy went completely unnoticed at the trial. It was never brought to the attention of the trial judge.
After this was pointed out, prosecutors took another look. They agreed that Klayme’s appeal should be allowed. Had the case been properly investigated, the court says now, evidence “would have identified an individual whose first name is Jay whose IP address appears to be in California.”
Given this, the Court of Appeal last week acquitted Klayme on all charges. His sentence (including his ongoing probation) was vacated.
How could such a crucial mistake have been missed for so long? No one seems to know. As the court puts it, “Although the information about the usernames was available at the time of the trial, there is no evidence confirming or explaining how it went unnoticed
He wants regulations to kill the competition. Open source is gonna get fucked in the coming months. The whole media campaign has been specifically for this.
King of the hill probably saved people instead of turning them.
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It’s right there, in the first paragraph. How did the writers miss it?
Wasn’t Admiral Patrick one of the devs that got caught upvoting all the Zionist propoganda posts like a year and a half ago? I wished I saved that thread. None of the most egregious Zionists accounts are on the ban list even though they are very abrasive and political extremists. I wouldn’t be surprised if the rest was just a cover for that.
Using the word Zionist or the Epstein Class hides your comment :/ and I swear every account that’s critical of Israel is on that list.
Yup, using the Lemmy modding tools so it shows up on the modlog.
This was done in secret and for other instances without their consent.
The situation would be the same if he also could block you for other users and instances without telling them.
Personally blocking a user on your account is fine Personally blocking a user from your admin is fine
Both those things use Lemmy tools and the modlog. Banning people with a secret shadowban malware list and distributing this malware to other instances is unethical.
I’m fairly certain this user is Admiral Patrick’s alt. He is in every thread not only defending but straight up lying.
I highly urge everyone to go take a look at the list. There’s lgbt communities and instances, small news orgs and even a word ban so your comment doesn’t show if it has “Epstein class” in it for example.
The app only showed you half the ban list, it hid the LGBTQ bans, users and comment stuff from what I understand.
Disagreed with admiral Patrick or one of his alts. If you are gay or trans, it might be because of that as well.
TIL the wholesome yuri community are violent extremists.
“We lost control and we are worth billions, imagine what the peasants will do with this once China comes out with a model rivaling ours in two weeks!”
I ain’t gay but God knows I hope Luigi is and I get to meet him.
This makes it sounds like it’s a big club and the only way you can be a part of it is sucking dick. You only see that in movies. (Hollywood, by movies I mean you only see that happening in Hollywood)
Soon the dress code will be an orange jumpsuit.
“I’m your man for the job. Believe me, I know kids inside and out.”
This guy at the interview probably.
Yes, but taking away the LLM won’t solve anything imo. It’s hard to know if there are more deaths or if it’s just the media pushing it because of what it’s attached too, but I’m guessing someone that falls deep into their delusions because of an LLM would have found something else to do the same with. It’s the system (both the government and probably her immediate support system) that’s letting her down.
It’s kind of muddy, especially when it comes to kids. This case seems like clear cut religion cult delusions though. Hard to pretend the LLM had more impact than her upbringing, and no one talks about restricting religion so it just comes off as another anti-ai token gesture.
It’s like the case of the kid with Daenerys. Everyone wants to talk about the GoT bot but nobody wants to talk about the bullying, the parents who knew about it and let him grow reclusive anyways, or the same parents who left a gun in easy reach.
We don’t regulate things because crazy people read too much into it and lose it, else religion, books and videogames would be. Your claim of AI being different because it has the word intelligence in it is pure bull, specially when video games do have AI lol.
Keep being pedantic about it I guess.
Don’t fall for this bullshit. The cunt in charge is literally closing down renewable projects left and right.
The constant bribes and corruption are what is slowing down the shift. This is scapegoating.
We need regulations for datacenters and all, and it isn’t helping, but this is transparent propaganda.